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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #28 - 03/21/17 at 14:44:25
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Bibs wrote on 03/21/17 at 13:16:24:
Perhaps Anand is part-Irish?
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That multi-syllabic Stonewall vould grate on me too. To cure you of this Teutonic Malaise, I suggest watching the animation 'Sing'. Look out for Gunther the singing & dancing pig. It's a rather endearing film overall actually.

Thanks. I watched the 10-minute loop version of him moving like Lady Gaga, it seems like it could help through worse than mispronouncing an opening.

This "haitch" talk reminds me the Mock the Week video with "Exceeding the show's allocated number of swear words" because  of the way Dara Ó Briain pronounces NHS. (NFSW so wear your headphone)
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #27 - 03/21/17 at 13:16:24
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Perhaps Anand is part-Irish?

Yes, I find the 'haitch' thing disconcerting, but, yes, it is an Irish thing. It is not 'incorrect' there (I understand Collins is a very educated young chap), it is indeed a dialect thing.

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That multi-syllabic Stonewall vould grate on me too. To cure you of this Teutonic Malaise, I suggest watching the animation 'Sing'. Look out for Gunther the singing & dancing pig. It's a rather endearing film overall actually.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #26 - 03/21/17 at 13:07:47
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 03/20/17 at 23:52:26:
Marcellus wrote on 03/20/17 at 01:01:47:
He's an excellent lecturer (my personal favorite, over King, L'Ami,  and a few others) who explains concepts very well. I agree that he might not be the best for an aggressive, attacking opening (he'll never be Simon Williams) but he's great with "calm, rational  positions". His books are well-written (not surprising given his educational background). The only (admittedly small) negative is the way he pronounces "h" (apparently an Irish variant) which is rather surprising the first few times you hear it.


If I remember correctly, Anand pronounces "h" the same way.

I don't think so... Around 0:40 of this video he says Bh2, Bh2+,  Kh2, I can't hear "haitch" at all. Somehow the Irish way of pronouncing "h" doesn't bother me, though, and I definitely am bothered by lots of stuff! I stopped watching Kritz's videos on the Stonewall because he pronounced it as if it were in German (3 syllables, stoan-eh-vaul). I'll never play the Stonewall because of this Sad

edit: the youtube link with Vishy pronouncing "h":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5vSn9JhVnA

However, at around 1:20 when they start talking about the h7 pawn, I do hear a semblance of an "h" before the "aitch"!! The mystery continues.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #25 - 03/20/17 at 23:52:26
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Marcellus wrote on 03/20/17 at 01:01:47:
He's an excellent lecturer (my personal favorite, over King, L'Ami,  and a few others) who explains concepts very well. I agree that he might not be the best for an aggressive, attacking opening (he'll never be Simon Williams) but he's great with "calm, rational  positions". His books are well-written (not surprising given his educational background). The only (admittedly small) negative is the way he pronounces "h" (apparently an Irish variant) which is rather surprising the first few times you hear it.


If I remember correctly, Anand pronounces "h" the same way.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #24 - 03/20/17 at 15:58:07
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Thanks - I will check it out.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #23 - 03/20/17 at 07:03:12
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Hello.

mn wrote on 03/19/17 at 02:27:35:
I was under the impression 3...Bc5 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 in the Spanish was meant to just be good for White...

5...Bb6 6 Nxe5! Nxe5 7 dxe5 Nxe4 8 Qg4! etc. leads to a big advantage for White;

Meanwhile, 5...exd4 6 e5 Ne4 7 0-0 d5, White has a pleasant choice;
A) In my notes I have 8 exd6(!), when Black doesn't really have a good recapture, and therefore should play 8...0-0!, when 9 dxc7 Qxc7 10 cxd4 Nxd4! 11 Nxd4 Qb6 12 Qc2 Nxf2! 13 Rxf2 Bxd4 14 Bf1 +/=
B) Looking at it now, 8 cxd4 also seems good for White, e.g. 8...Bb6 9 Be3 0-0 and now 10 Bxc6!? bxc6 11 Qc2 Qe8 12 Nbd2 Bf5 13 Nh4 Nxd2 14 Qxd2 Be6 15 f4 with initiative.

Am I missing anything? What, generally, does Collins recommend for Black? If he has an effective solution for Black, I may well buy the DVD and add 3...Bc5 to my repertoire!

Check the Spanish repertoire thread - roughly speaking replies #150 to 257. Lots of stuff about 3...Bc5, including your line A (slightly extended and with different evaluation).

My highly subjective interpretation of what can be read in that thread is that at times there was serious doubt that advantage would be found against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.e5 Nd5. Discussion of 6...Ne4 also continued for quite long even if most bits of analysis produced seemed to indicate dodgyness. Anyway 7.0-0 dxc3 looked toughest to me. I don't know if you've checked this.

Some smart person also realised that black could play 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Bc5 5.c3 0-0 in order to reach 3...Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.0-0 0-0, while bypassing 3...Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4. The solution was to analyse 3...Nf6 4.0-0 Bc5 5.Nxe5, though if somehow that turned out not to be advantageous for white then you might practically speaking benefit from having something other than 3...Bc5 4.c3 0-0 5.d4 in your repertoire.

Towards the end of 3...Bc5 discussion there seems however to have been mild optimism about (as far as I could tell) the serious lines; albeit without a lot of fatty and conclusive analysis in every line.

Have a nice day.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #22 - 03/20/17 at 01:01:47
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He's an excellent lecturer (my personal favorite, over King, L'Ami,  and a few others) who explains concepts very well. I agree that he might not be the best for an aggressive, attacking opening (he'll never be Simon Williams) but he's great with "calm, rational  positions". His books are well-written (not surprising given his educational background). The only (admittedly small) negative is the way he pronounces "h" (apparently an Irish variant) which is rather surprising the first few times you hear it.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #21 - 03/20/17 at 00:48:17
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gwnn wrote on 03/19/17 at 22:05:43:
RoleyPoley wrote on 03/19/17 at 21:03:53:
gwnn wrote on 03/19/17 at 20:52:59:
He made a Schliemann repertoire DVD on Chessbase FWIW (I didn't like it too much, actually - he seems to be better at explaining calm, rational positions better than attacking ones).


What didnt you like about it?

It just seemed a bit too dry for such a strange/crazy opening. Here you do this, there you do that. Oh yes this is a pawn down ending but you can hold. Next variation. His demeanor encouraged me in the QGA and here, it made a strange impression with 3 .. f5!?. Your mileage may vary, of course. I am sure all his lines do work, I trust him that way, don't get me wrong.


Thanks Gwnn, I'd seen the trailer up on the CB site but havent watched any of his other stuff so wasnt sure what to expect if i buy it.
  

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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #20 - 03/19/17 at 22:25:19
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 03/19/17 at 21:53:39:
I hope 3...Bc5 is perfectly sound against the Ruy Lopez because I'd love to play it. I might have to check out this DVD.


I think its playable, I mean some top players have tested it. If it is perfectly sound is very hard to say.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #19 - 03/19/17 at 22:05:43
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RoleyPoley wrote on 03/19/17 at 21:03:53:
gwnn wrote on 03/19/17 at 20:52:59:
He made a Schliemann repertoire DVD on Chessbase FWIW (I didn't like it too much, actually - he seems to be better at explaining calm, rational positions better than attacking ones).


What didnt you like about it?

It just seemed a bit too dry for such a strange/crazy opening. Here you do this, there you do that. Oh yes this is a pawn down ending but you can hold. Next variation. His demeanor encouraged me in the QGA and here, it made a strange impression with 3 .. f5!?. Your mileage may vary, of course. I am sure all his lines do work, I trust him that way, don't get me wrong.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #18 - 03/19/17 at 21:53:39
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I hope 3...Bc5 is perfectly sound against the Ruy Lopez because I'd love to play it. I might have to check out this DVD.
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #17 - 03/19/17 at 21:14:10
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I ended up buying this DVD earlier today, and one of the first things I noticed in my, thus far admittedly brief, perusal of it is that the Scotch section is bizarrely light. I mean, clearly the main focus is meant to be the Spanish, but [4...Bb4+ 5 c3 Bc5] 6 Nxc6 as recommended by e.g. Negi and Shaw isn't even mentioned. This is pretty important, as I think it's meant to be the main argument against checking on b4 at the moment...
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #16 - 03/19/17 at 21:03:53
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gwnn wrote on 03/19/17 at 20:52:59:
He made a Schliemann repertoire DVD on Chessbase FWIW (I didn't like it too much, actually - he seems to be better at explaining calm, rational positions better than attacking ones).


What didnt you like about it?
  

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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #15 - 03/19/17 at 20:52:59
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He made a Schliemann repertoire DVD on Chessbase FWIW (I didn't like it too much, actually - he seems to be better at explaining calm, rational positions better than attacking ones).
  
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Re: Sam Collins - open games with Bc5
Reply #14 - 03/19/17 at 19:48:55
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JEH wrote on 03/19/17 at 19:04:12:
Marcellus wrote on 03/19/17 at 15:58:49:
In honor of JEH who frequently suggests thematic repertoires, how about a pure Sam Collins rep?


It's a shame this one never saw the light of day, to pair with the one for White, and then the dream could have been true  Cry

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Attacking-Repertoire-Black-Sam-Collins/dp/0713490292

French + Stonewall Dutch was one of my first repertoire combos


That was the one i was thinking of. French/Stonewall seems a very popular combo (at least at club level) so i am surprised he never got round to finishing it.
  

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