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Re: System with 3 ... Bc5 4.c3 Nge7 is alive yet
Reply #2 - 04/15/17 at 22:04:47
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MNb wrote on 04/14/17 at 02:51:43:
I see Black being a pawn down without sufficient compensation after 4.c3 Nge7 5.O-O d5 6.Nxe5 O-O 7.Bxc6 Nxc6 8.Nxc6 bxc6 9.d4 and 10.e5.


Ivan Sokolov shares your opinion, and rejects 5...d5 as a bad move (which is right, of course).
He also claims that 5...Bb6 is best, and offers the old game Evans-Fischer as an example, where white could achieve a large advantage.
  
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Re: System with 3 ... Bc5 4.c3 Nge7 is alive yet
Reply #1 - 04/14/17 at 02:51:43
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I see Black being a pawn down without sufficient compensation after 4.c3 Nge7 5.O-O d5 6.Nxe5 O-O 7.Bxc6 Nxc6 8.Nxc6 bxc6 9.d4 and 10.e5.
  

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System with 3 ... Bc5 4.c3 Nge7 is alive yet
04/13/17 at 17:25:46
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I do not know if you know the phrase of 33 Chilean miners who were saved from dying buried in a mine: We are alive the 33!
Something similar I see by analogy in my chess madness with the survival of the variant with the Nge7 system after almost one hundred and seventy-six years since it was first played in 1841 by a player named Von Heydebrand und der Lasa (see ½-½ (68) Hanstein, W-Von Heydebrand und der Lasa, T Berlin 1841).

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My point of view is that it is playable if the order of moves is first 4.c3 Nge7 and not if the white side plays 4.O-O Ng-e7 given that when playing 4.c3 Nge7 5.O-O the black must respond with 5 .... d5 !?

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and if when the white side attacks the bishop of c5 by advancing central pawns 4.c3 Nge7 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ is the option to go with the bishop to Bb4 delaying the evolution of the tower in the direction of the square e1.

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Remember that this order was in the hands of former world champion Bobby Fischer but there are improvements at some point in that game (see attached pgn that details everything I am indicating here).
The same thing happens when in the order 4.c3 Nge7 5.O-O d5 6.d4 exd4 7.cxd4 Bb4 (if 7....Bb6 Transposes to the old line that I look with distrust given my bad experience in correspondence) With equal perspectives.

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In summary I see a playable line and with space to the creativity chess being that this one is played very little at present.

Best regards,
Marco.
  

C64_with_Ng-e7.pgn ( 34 KB | 14 Downloads )
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