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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #41 - 10/15/17 at 21:28:58
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I'm reminded of such people as Max Illingworth (in an update from a year ago) and (I believe) LeeRoth who have expressed the heretical(?) view that 3...Be7 and 3...Nf6 are equally good.
  
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Reply #40 - 10/15/17 at 20:48:37
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It’s interesting that 3...Nf6 has taken over. 3...Be7 used to be considered better because it avoids the exchange variation with Bg5. I think this started during the first Kasparov-Karpov match...?

What I’m curious about is why did 3...Nf6 take over? Is it because of the line that’s recommended in this book or is it because of 3...Nxd5, transposing into the Semi-Tarrasch?
  
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Reply #39 - 10/14/17 at 08:54:41
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Thank you for pointing this out.

The chapters about the Exchange are indeed big, but to me they form the heart of the book.

I don´t mind playing 3...Nf6. I was just wondering what the pros and cons are regarding the repertoire presented in your book. But this is of course not essential for your work.

After studying your book I´m looking forward playing the QGD in my next tournament games.
  
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Reply #38 - 10/13/17 at 21:33:45
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Actually, i wanted to talk about 3...Be7 in the intro to the "Exchange Variation" chapter, but for those who have the book, this chapter became very big, so i thought to cut the relevant section.

I don't think that it is easy for Black to equalise after 3...Be7 to be honest (this is one of the reasons that in the highest level they play ...Nf6 much more often). Also, the ...Nf6 move order is much more flexible.
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #37 - 10/13/17 at 13:54:22
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Fllg wrote on 10/12/17 at 16:03:25:
I have to admit that I don´t know much about the QGD from either side and so I very much appreciate the lucid explanations in the book.

One thing I haven´t found explained is regarding the pros and cons of the moveorder 3...Nf6 vs. 3...Be7. Looking at the suggested Repertoire the only downside of 3...Be7 seems to occur after 4.cxd5 exd6 5.Bf4 when 5...c6 6.e3 Bf5 allows 7.g4 or 7.Nge2.

On the other hand 3...Be7 seems to avoid some stuff in he Exchange Variation like the lines with 0-0-0 , doesn´t it?

Perhaps someone can enlighten me here if there are other disadvantages of playing 3...Be7 ?


Black is fine after 3. ... Nf6 as well as after 3. ... Be7. The author does a good job explaining how to play the resulting positions. I suppose he could have done the same with 3. ... Be7, but then again, this is a repertoire book and not a comprehensive survey. I can also imagine that the team at QC liked the idea of tackling the cornerstone of many white repertoire books of this decade, which is the classical exchange variation with 3. ... Nf6. It seems to fit in better with the idea of a classical repertoire. Objectively there is nothing wrong with any of both variations.
  
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Reply #36 - 10/12/17 at 16:03:25
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I have to admit that I don´t know much about the QGD from either side and so I very much appreciate the lucid explanations in the book.

One thing I haven´t found explained is regarding the pros and cons of the moveorder 3...Nf6 vs. 3...Be7. Looking at the suggested Repertoire the only downside of 3...Be7 seems to occur after 4.cxd5 exd6 5.Bf4 when 5...c6 6.e3 Bf5 allows 7.g4 or 7.Nge2.

On the other hand 3...Be7 seems to avoid some stuff in he Exchange Variation like the lines with 0-0-0 , doesn´t it?

Perhaps someone can enlighten me here if there are other disadvantages of playing 3...Be7 ?
  
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Reply #35 - 10/12/17 at 11:29:27
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Hello guys. The same "omission" was pointed out at the QC blog together with the line 1.c4 e6 2.e4?! (or maybe just "!?").

In both cases, it is not the case that i "forgot" to mention these lines in the book. I simply chose not to cover them. As far as these sidelines are concerned, there are two wonderful books by Quality Chess, one is Avrukh's and the other one comes from Mikhalevski. I could never match their analysis quality and thoroughness. So, i chose (together with the editors from QC) to offer a "starter's repertoire" in the English and other sidelines and refer to those two books for anyone interested in more. Oterwise the size of the book would have been much bigger and it would lose its purpose (which was not an encyclopedic manual but rather a practical guide).

In any case, this is what i answered in the QC blog, trying to stay in the spirit of the book, being as practical as possible:

"I dont think that the Stonewall Attack is covered in the book (i think!). It is not a great system though. Just remember not to close your bishop with …e6. Play c5-Nf6-Nc6 and Bg4 or Bf5 before …e6.
I think that i missed it, because White can play the Stonewall in a more flexible way starting with the move 1.f4 and at some point , together with the editorial team, we decided not to cover the 1st move sidelines in the book. I couldn’t match Mikhalevski’s thoroughness, so i saw no point doing it."

and regarding the English line with 2.e4:

" This chapter was supposed to be a short one, giving basic guidelines of a “starter repertoire”.
Certainly, in that position 2.e4 is a move no doubt, although a rare one (after 1.c4) and (imho) a dubious one after 2…d5. It most certainly will lead to the type of exchange French we covered with Jacob in “Playing the French”.
In the resulting IQP position, Black plays Nc6-Nf6-Bb4-Qd6 and puts his rooks at e8 and d8. If i recall correctly, after the move a3 we gave two options for Black. One was to play Ba5 and put the bishop to b6 in order to put pressure at the center and the other one was Bxc3 following a positional masterpiece of the 13-year old Carlsen!
I hope this makes some sense to you!"

(if you want to visit the relevant discussion, it is here:
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/blog/6199#comments)
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #34 - 10/12/17 at 04:10:31
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Templare2 wrote on 10/11/17 at 23:14:58:
The book is fantastic! Only one omission: i can't find the line 1.d4  2. e3. 3.Bd3 and f4


Play 1...d5, 2...Nf6, 3...Nc6!, and 4...Nb4. Take the bishop if White lets you, or put your own on f5 if he moves it.
  
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Reply #33 - 10/11/17 at 23:14:58
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The book is fantastic! Only one omission: i can't find the line 1.d4  2. e3. 3.Bd3 and f4
  

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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #32 - 10/08/17 at 11:16:00
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phonological_loop wrote on 10/07/17 at 18:23:25:
As a returning club player searching for a black repertoire, I bought a few books and experimented with various things, and generally wasted a lot of time that should've been spent playing. But if I could go back in time, I would just tell myself to buy Ntirlis's playing 1. e4 e5 and 1. d4 d5.


Indeed!
It's a shame these were not available when I began playing serious chess. Now because of them, I am switching back to the classical openings I used to be playing.
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #31 - 10/07/17 at 18:23:25
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I bought the book on the Forward Chess app a few days ago and just found the time to look through it.

In short, it is excellent. I especially appreciate the detailed coverage of the other d-pawn openings (the ones that avoid 2. c4), since I face those the most while playing online. The repertoire presented for them is simple, direct, and fits together nicely with the suggested QGD lines.

As a returning club player searching for a black repertoire, I bought a few books and experimented with various things, and generally wasted a lot of time that should've been spent playing. But if I could go back in time, I would just tell myself to buy Ntirlis's playing 1. e4 e5 and 1. d4 d5.
  
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Reply #30 - 10/07/17 at 18:00:02
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I usually buy electronic books these days whenever possible to save space on my book shelf, but I thought I´d make an exception for this one since I was already impressed by "Playing 1.e4 e5". The hardcover is well worth the extra money.

This book is already my favourite for the opening book of the year.
  
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Reply #29 - 10/07/17 at 14:12:27
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Thanks Rene, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a hard copy soon.
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #28 - 10/07/17 at 13:19:35
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He uses solid classical lines that merge beautifully with the QGD: after all the move-order subtleties are navigated, you get a fully equal or better position with ...Nf6, ...d5, ...c5 ...e6 and ...b6 most of the time. Against the Blackmar-Diemer, d5 is vacated by capturing on e4 (and f3), then ...e6 comes (the Euwe system).

The theory and move-order issues are covered thoroughly. For example, after a private meeting at a tournament, Avrukh had asked Ntirlis's permission to use one of these ideas in Avrukh's own book GM Rep 11. Avrukh published it, then Adam's defeated Karjakin with it!

Against the Catalan, we get 4.dxc4 with ...a6 and ...Nc6, where Back goes for active play and may sacrifice his b pawn. It's a current theoretical hotspot, and this section looks like part of a GM Rep book. Part of this section had been jointly developed with Aagard before being included in this book.

It's a new book, so beyond that I don't think I should go into detail.

Edit: oops, fllg beat me to it while I was writing this! Agree with everything.
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Reply #27 - 10/07/17 at 13:15:20
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The book is excellent in all aspects. I quite like the format with chapters introducing the general ideas followed by the theoretical coverage. Especially the introduction to the Queen´s Gambit Exchange is very illuminating for someone with very limited experience with this structure like me.

Regarding the recommendation against the d-pawn specials it is generally based on Black playing ...0-0, ...c5, ...b6 and ...Ba6 or ...Bb7 if appropriate.

Against the BDG it is the Euwe-Defence with delayed castling.

The whole repertoire is based on solid lines allowing Black to gradually equalize and if White plays to ambitiously he may even take over the initiative.
  
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