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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #74 - 12/20/17 at 08:28:50
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doefmat wrote on 12/19/17 at 18:23:31:
Anyone know what the best move order is in the following line for this repertoire?

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5

Should I play Be7 or Nbd7 here for reaching our repertoire lines?


The most logical move (at least for me) is to play 4...Bb4+ (as a Ragozin player myself maybe it's more natural to me than for a strict QGD player). If White plays 5.Nc3 to cover the check (the best move) you are in a pure Ragozin. If not, 5.Bd2 is answered by 5...Be7 and you are back in your territory (White will spend another tempo moving his bishop from d2 sooner or later), and 5.Nbd2 can be met by 5...dxc4.

I think in that move order, Nbd7 is more natural to me if you don't want to play the Ragozin. You are safe in case of Bxf6 and there is no way to punish this (no e4, no Nxd5...). But, as Rene and Eric pointed before, usually it will transpose to the same. You play Be7 next move (if White don't get crazy) and the game moves on to known QGD waters.

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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #73 - 12/19/17 at 20:13:40
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If you intend to transpose, I don't think it matters, because you will soon play both moves: exchanging on f6 is a bad idea for White and I bet you'll never see it. But if he does it, you might want to have played 4...Nd7 first to get a more familiar position.

If White plays the line you gave, you could also play 4...h6 immediately and then if 5.Bh4, the bishop can't help on d2 anymore, so 5...Bb4+ gains bite.

Otherwise, either move will transpose almost all the time. White, without good reason, will probably not put his knight on d2 instead of c3. That would be out of book for you, but weaker than Nc3.
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #72 - 12/19/17 at 20:07:02
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doefmat wrote on 12/19/17 at 18:23:31:
Anyone know what the best move order is in the following line for this repertoire?

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5

Should I play Be7 or Nbd7 here for reaching our repertoire lines?


Is that move order not covered in the book...? 

I finally ordered a copy myself, I was waiting for some Amazon gift card money before buying it, but it hasn't arrived yet.
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #71 - 12/19/17 at 18:23:31
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Anyone know what the best move order is in the following line for this repertoire?

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5

Should I play Be7 or Nbd7 here for reaching our repertoire lines?
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #70 - 11/30/17 at 15:03:34
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I have this and also the one about the French. It's a mix of sensations. I am reading a book which teaches the principles of the opening at a very basic level but at the same time feeling that the ideas, and plans are proved and used at maximum level, I am confident that my options following their recommendations are the better ones in the positions.

Very good way of presenting the openings. Thx, Nikos.
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #69 - 11/30/17 at 10:18:05
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So far this book is really great! I like the introduction chapters very much and now understand the plans in this opening much better. I hope this guy is going to write more books. A 1.e4 repertoire book based on the Ruy Lopez with an early d3 would be nice. Tongue
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #68 - 11/26/17 at 22:26:33
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A good idea with a separate thread for this 4...dxc4 discussion, mn. Perhaps a helpful moderator will move the relevant posts over there?

mn wrote on 11/26/17 at 22:01:48:

  

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Reply #67 - 11/26/17 at 22:08:52
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mn wrote on 11/26/17 at 21:34:00:
Probably 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 e3 0-0 5 Bd3 d5 6 Nf3 c5 7 0-0 dxc4 8 Bxc4 cxd4 9 exd4 Nc6 10 Bg5 Be7


And he gives only one sentence to this on page 331, if I haven't missed something.
  

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Reply #66 - 11/26/17 at 22:01:48
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Reply #65 - 11/26/17 at 21:34:00
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Probably 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 e3 0-0 5 Bd3 d5 6 Nf3 c5 7 0-0 dxc4 8 Bxc4 cxd4 9 exd4 Nc6 10 Bg5 Be7
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #64 - 11/26/17 at 21:32:58
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Stigma wrote on 11/26/17 at 21:25:49:
What is Sokolov's Nimzo-Indian move order to reach this line?


4. e3 0-0 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nf3 c5 7. 0-0 dc 8. Bxc4 cd 9. ed Nc6 10. Bg5 Be7.
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #63 - 11/26/17 at 21:25:49
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What is Sokolov's Nimzo-Indian move order to reach this line?

On first glance it is a bit surprising if this is nothing at all for White, since he gets all his pieces out in one move without being forced to put any of them on obviously suboptimal squares.
  

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Reply #62 - 11/26/17 at 21:02:04
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Re the IQP, Ivan Sokolov in his 4. e3 Nimzo book thought that the position after  1.  d4 d5 2.  c4 e6 3.  Nc3 Nf6 4.  Bg5 dxc4 5.  e3 c5 6.  Bxc4 cxd4 7.  exd4 Be7 8.  Nf3 O-O 9.  O-O Nc6 "does not promise White anything special."  His main line involved 10. a3 a6 (I'm aware of old stuff considering the approach with ...b6 as leading to +=), and ended up with "a double-edged position." 

Ostensibly it's a case of White being slightly disadvantaged by having Bg5 in (not being able to hold the bishop back, as he can in e.g. the Nimzo move-order Sokolov was considering).
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #61 - 11/26/17 at 20:46:38
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Regarding the IQP line, I was thinking in terms of the Nimzo-Indian; it's essentially a Karpov Variation where instead of ...b6 Black has gone for ...Nc6 and ...Be7. This is solid enough, mind you, but seemed to me a little less challenging than the ususal stuff Black would play in that line.

Dreev is an excellent endorsement of course, but I was thinking more in terms of something I'd (or the prospective Vienna player, for that matter) be personally happy to play, rather than objective quality. It is stylistically rather far removed from the Vienna IMO.
  
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Re: Playing 1.d4 d5 A Classical Repertoire, Ntirlis
Reply #60 - 11/26/17 at 20:32:56
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Stigma wrote on 11/26/17 at 13:19:48:
The context is I already play the Nimzo-Indian now and then, but I don't have anything good against 3.Nf3. The Vienna, the Ragozin or 4...a6 could fill that hole...


If you enjoy the Black side of the Exchange QGD and decide to play the Vienna, then 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxc4!?  seems logical.  If you choose to play the Ragozin, then I'd strongly consider 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4!? in that position.

Anyway, we're getting pretty far from discussing Ntirlis' book, so maybe this should be moved to another thread.
  
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