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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #135 - 07/22/17 at 00:35:10
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On engine warriors I think people in general need to avoid decalarations such as this line is "just nothing", "just a dead draw", etc. I have noticed a strange type of poster crop up, no names obviously. But this type of stuff, with little respect for the game, does discourage genuine posters from contributing.
  
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Reply #134 - 07/21/17 at 22:49:16
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Same problem here using iPhone and iPad...

I wish there was some solution to this as I am only using  tablets these days
  
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Reply #133 - 07/21/17 at 22:35:31
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Jesse Gersenson wrote on 07/08/17 at 15:05:45:
A question for people who browse this forum with their mobile phone - is it easy to read this forum from you mobile phone?


It usually works fine, the only problem i've noticed is that my android can't load the posted games/analysis at all. I don't visit all that often so not a biggie, but maybe others have the same problem?
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #132 - 07/21/17 at 21:36:27
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/05/17 at 09:49:45:
ErictheRed wrote on 06/29/17 at 15:42:26:
One thought: I don't know that it would lead to more use, but some "stickied" threads in certain areas might help.


I can do this, too, if anyone has any ideas for useful threads that could be 'stickied' please let me know. Smiley


I kind of liked this one in the french thread.

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1307908456

Lots of advice on what lines a young player graded 1450 should play against the French. What facinates me about this thread is the variety of ideas amongst the regulars in the discussion, some of which can be extrapolated to other openings.
  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #131 - 07/19/17 at 17:48:47
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I don't think that we have a lot of "engine warriors," I personally meant more that since people have engines at their disposal at home, they're less inclined to start a thread when they can 1) switch on their own engines, and 2) think that many other people are just going to switch on their own engines when they respond to a thread.  I don't think that we need "engine warriors" for strong engines to have discouraged discussion.
  
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Reply #130 - 07/19/17 at 12:02:51
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I would love to talk about some lines in the book, but as you may see from reading this thread, I was not happy the way it went.
But OK - how to talk about something that apparently nobody else has or wants to talk about?

A different thing is the Chigorin thread.
  
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Reply #129 - 07/19/17 at 10:56:19
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I'm calling bull. This thread for instance

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1497181073/0

doesn't contain any analysis. No engine warrior in sight.
And there are many more threads like that one.
  

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Reply #128 - 07/19/17 at 09:06:58
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Try to analyze a random position with a titled player (IM / GM) or with a top engine.

  • Who is going to put the best moves?
  • In what case are you going to understand more?


Stockfish is not going to explain anything. Some variations are self-explanatory but others don't. A human analyst will explain why a move is dubious (and even if at the final of the variation there is a tactical option that makes Stockfish discard the variation), you will understand and learn a lot more. Stockfish puts in you in the right direction of finding the real truth. But I am not searching the real truth, but to improve my game (from a practical point of view).

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #127 - 07/19/17 at 01:48:40
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barnaby wrote on 07/18/17 at 19:22:37:
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not the talking about how or why it is made.


And, if you don't eat right you could suffer indigestion...  Huh

All I'm saying is that a possible cure for the engine variation dumpers would be to request *some* verbal explanations. Of course, excessive explanations with no concrete analysis is not desirable at all.

A good chess book is one that explains some the thinking and plans behind the moves. I don't mean explanations expressed in an annoying, cloyingly basic way, but on a higher level. Chess engines can't really do that.

A few years ago, a friend of mine (a class player) had trouble facing the Exchange French while playing Black and I offered to help, even though I'm not a big time French player. With the help of the database, I suggested a plan based on Bd6 and Ne7, aiming for imbalances and more ambitious play instead of playing the standard symmetric Nf6 lines. I put together a basic repertoire for him, with some minimal wordage and mostly lines, but also warning against some traps involving Bxh7 after Black's Bg4.

My stuff was adequate, but then after a little while I got a hold of Uhlmann's book on the French and what a delight it was reading it. A great balance between variations and spelled-out plans, but I was most pleasantly surprised to see Uhlmann playing the line with Bd6/Ne7.

Today's chess computers are stronger than Uhlmann but can't  do a good job of distilling info, let alone explain plans well and  reveal the deeper ideas behind the moves, and can't even do that at my level, much less a GM's.

We need a balanced approach and we're poorer for it if we don't stop to try to explain at least to ourselves what we're trying to accomplish when playing chess moves.
  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #126 - 07/18/17 at 19:22:37
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The irony here is that the explanations of why moves are good and are the ones that should be played can really only be accurately expressed and shown to be 'true' by offering another set of moves to show the resulting positions. 

The proof of something in chess is always moves and positions!  It is its own language with no direct translation.  Like higher math in that way... verbal explanations cannot explain why the cosine of an angle is what it is.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not the talking about how or why it is made.


  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #125 - 07/18/17 at 19:12:21
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ErictheRed wrote on 07/18/17 at 04:17:18:
I think that the balance of analysis and whatnot is fine; if someone wants an explanation of an idea, they can ask.  I think that we just all haven't been posting and sharing as much for the reasons mentioned, and we haven't done a great job of welcoming newcomers that are ready to contribute meaningfully (of course there have been some). 


I'm only suggesting that a way to deter dumping of dry computer analysis by some posters would be to ask them to provide some ideas as well. When that's not forthcoming, the embarrassment could keep them from continuing the practice.

(Not sure how much of a problem this has been lately.)
  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #124 - 07/18/17 at 04:17:18
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I think that the balance of analysis and whatnot is fine; if someone wants an explanation of an idea, they can ask.  I think that we just all haven't been posting and sharing as much for the reasons mentioned, and we haven't done a great job of welcoming newcomers that are ready to contribute meaningfully (of course there have been some).
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #123 - 07/18/17 at 03:13:18
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Nickajack wrote on 07/18/17 at 01:59:51:
CanadianClub wrote on 07/15/17 at 19:04:45:
Discuss the middlegame plans out of the openings is the key


Well, that is also a potential problem for the engine warriors, since those same engines are not good at all at explaining the plans, as they only give lines upon lines of analysis.

Maybe we should all frown upon the mere offering of analysis without explanations, and that will weed out the 'engine warrior' types.

Grin

But there's no universal view of how much explanation is wanted or needed. What seems blindingly obvious to you might need lots of explanation to me, and vice versa. Overexplained analysis can be just as annoying to read as underexplained analysis...

I honestly think the balance between variations and explanation in the forum is fine. If anything, more concrete analysis (using both engines and human brains!) would be great, since general considerations and the best laid plans can be ruined by one strong tactical move. But I can't really demand more analysis from others; I should start by contributing more of it myself first.
  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #122 - 07/18/17 at 01:59:51
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CanadianClub wrote on 07/15/17 at 19:04:45:
Discuss the middlegame plans out of the openings is the key


Well, that is also a potential problem for the engine warriors, since those same engines are not good at all at explaining the plans, as they only give lines upon lines of analysis.

Maybe we should all frown upon the mere offering of analysis without explanations, and that will weed out the 'engine warrior' types.

Grin
  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #121 - 07/17/17 at 11:30:39
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Göran wrote on 07/07/17 at 23:27:44:
If the Generals are in right order (still feel uncomfortable) then I think the last general should change pleces with Other.

I agree, but I am interested in others' opinions. Maybe I should just return to the previous order?
  
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