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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #121 - 07/17/17 at 11:30:39
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Göran wrote on 07/07/17 at 23:27:44:
If the Generals are in right order (still feel uncomfortable) then I think the last general should change pleces with Other.

I agree, but I am interested in others' opinions. Maybe I should just return to the previous order?
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #120 - 07/15/17 at 19:04:45
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Chess is a practical game and this has not changed. Maybe in the Winawer (a line I play) people is able to find information (because of engines, some books or whatever) how to play out to move 18. But finally it's a game of chess and at my level (1800 fide) you win or lose because of how do solve practical problems OTB. At any level I suppose.

Openings put you in the right direction. Discuss the middlegame plans out of the openings is the key. And what I ideally would like to find and discuss in a opening internet forum like this. Some points a little beyond the opening.

I am in a position of learning more than teaching (I am very bad) but it's an exercise everybody would have to try to do.

Maybe my hopes are too difficult to get real  Wink
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #119 - 07/15/17 at 18:34:19
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ErictheRed wrote on 07/15/17 at 06:51:20:
barnaby wrote on 07/14/17 at 16:35:49:
ErictheRed wrote on 07/14/17 at 00:58:39:
  .... why start a thread when you think that people will only reply with their engine's output?


The crux of the matter.


Which is unfortunate, because to me, improvement at chess and winning games by "thinking like a human" has never been easier.  It seems that so many people are slaves to their engines and forget that chess is a game of ideas, where each side sets problems for the other to solve.  The successful player poses difficult problems for his opponent while successfully solving those that his opponent sets for him, regardless of whether an engine says +0.45 or -0.06 or whatever in a given opening position.



If it was scientifically possible to agree more than 100% I would.

There have been many instances in the past in which I have posted pragmatic lines in various openings only to have the thread grind to a halt once best play from the engine was introduced.

One thing I learned is that this site seem (?) to cater (?) to a lot of correspondence players of which use an engine during actual play) and these types of players are not going to eschew their engine-assisted analysis or slum in a pragmatic otb line that offers chances due to complications that are difficult for a human to navigate.


So, while I agree both philosophically and empirically with your statement I am more persuaded by the idea that the engine genie is not going back into the bottle and as such have pretty much stopped posting any theory related threads (here or elsewhere) because of such experiences of having the engine brigade take over the process.

I miss the local five & dime, landlines, the neighborhood bowling alley and coffee that costs 25 cents a cup and none of them are coming back.

The internets and engines have changed chess in ways that are not so easy to dial back, and they have even more changed how we talk about it, both here online and in real world situations.


  
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Reply #118 - 07/15/17 at 15:16:35
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Well said.  When I started playing chess, the books said that the Sicilian and Kings Indian were "unclear."  Now the Engine tells me they are +0.34 or something.  Who really cares about that?  OTB, both sides have every chance to win or lose.




  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #117 - 07/15/17 at 09:23:26
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ErictheRed wrote on 07/15/17 at 06:51:20:
barnaby wrote on 07/14/17 at 16:35:49:
ErictheRed wrote on 07/14/17 at 00:58:39:
  .... why start a thread when you think that people will only reply with their engine's output?


The crux of the matter.


Which is unfortunate, because to me, improvement at chess and winning games by "thinking like a human" has never been easier.  It seems that so many people are slaves to their engines and forget that chess is a game of ideas, where each side sets problems for the other to solve.  The successful player poses difficult problems for his opponent while successfully solving those that his opponent sets for him, regardless of whether an engine says +0.45 or -0.06 or whatever in a given opening position.


+2.00 Cool
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #116 - 07/15/17 at 06:51:20
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barnaby wrote on 07/14/17 at 16:35:49:
ErictheRed wrote on 07/14/17 at 00:58:39:
  .... why start a thread when you think that people will only reply with their engine's output?


The crux of the matter.


Which is unfortunate, because to me, improvement at chess and winning games by "thinking like a human" has never been easier.  It seems that so many people are slaves to their engines and forget that chess is a game of ideas, where each side sets problems for the other to solve.  The successful player poses difficult problems for his opponent while successfully solving those that his opponent sets for him, regardless of whether an engine says +0.45 or -0.06 or whatever in a given opening position.
  
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Reply #115 - 07/14/17 at 16:35:49
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ErictheRed wrote on 07/14/17 at 00:58:39:
  .... why start a thread when you think that people will only reply with their engine's output?


The crux of the matter.
  
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Reply #114 - 07/14/17 at 00:58:39
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I've been a little frustrated at times in the past with the correspondence-heavy, "pure theory" stuff sometimes.  Moves, ideas, and plans that I would consider very interesting in a practical game don't always catch on here. 

On the other hand, it's good to have some sobering analysis and avoid the completely junk ideas that I see in some other, more busy forums.  We have to find a balance, but there's no real reason that people can't discuss interesting ideas even if the more analytical types here cast doubt on them.  I think that the problem (if there is one) is more that people just turn on their engines these days, as mentioned already.  Why discuss when you can just see what Stockfish says?  And why start a thread when you think that people will only reply with their engine's output?
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #113 - 07/14/17 at 00:16:04
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One thing that deters many of the people I know from this forum is the heavy emphasis on the 'pure theory'. I mean, of course, theoretical disputes are essential and interesting, but many players are not correspondance players or GMs and are rebutted to read pages of lines of 40 moves depths. Strategical discussions about not only lines and TN but interesting positions, manoeuvers, exchanges, related endgames, etc.  all are important. Unfortunately, most of the time here, these last topics do not find many contributors.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #112 - 07/13/17 at 22:19:39
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Leave opening up registration to Tony IMO, but yes new blood is needed.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #111 - 07/09/17 at 13:27:11
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Mate-in-1 captcha! Wow, yeah let's add that.

If we're lucky, lichess will have an api we could use, otherwise we need to get their playable chessboards working (on the forum) in order to have such a captcha.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #110 - 07/09/17 at 05:57:24
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I think opening up the registration is a great idea. Not sure how easy the integration would be, but lichess.org uses a checkmate-in-one captcha on on all their forum posts and their registration. It's completely open source as well, so grabbing that little bit of code might be worth the time investment if it's technically feasible.  Grin
  
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Reply #109 - 07/08/17 at 19:56:43
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No problems on mobile for me, either (HTC Android). 

I'm on holiday and not around much at the moment, but I'm glad that this discussion seems to have sparked some productive changes and that Jesse's back on board!
  
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Reply #108 - 07/08/17 at 19:19:15
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I have zero problems entering with my 5.5inch phone. I read and write comfortably.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #107 - 07/08/17 at 15:05:45
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I haven't been on this forum in 6 months. It looks like a different forum, the categories are out of place, and there is much more visual clutter. I feel like I'm returning to the position of an adjourned game, and the pieces have been moved?!

Key elements of the forum software are broken: search, login. When I tried searching for my name 'Jesse', the YaBB search found nothing. When I tried logging in my username and password weren't recognized, and couldn't recover my password. I had to write Tony, asking him to manually reinstate me?!

My joining this forum, and leaving this forum, coincided with my participation in OTB tournament chess. I returned today at Tony's request for technical help.

We should re-open the registration process, adding a 'captcha' to thwart spam bots. Trolls will register, so a mechanism is needed to identify them and lock their accounts.

The YaBB search feature could be replaced with something more capable. Solr is my first thought, perhaps there is a Solr->YaBB integration.

A question for people who browse this forum with their mobile phone - is it easy to read this forum from you mobile phone?
  
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