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Reply #150 - 09/10/17 at 20:28:51
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trw, I would very much like to read anything you have to say about how to go beyond blindly following engine lines and becoming a better correspondence player.

Also, if you recall which threads and conversations led to your rapid improvement, I would very much like to read those too!  Wink
  
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Reply #149 - 09/05/17 at 11:04:30
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What was most important for me to post were my thoughts about training and psychology. There was good feedback and what's new now in my mind are only details. Additionally the critics of the Kotov model of move generation are common knowledge and in the books written by far stronger players.

This was in the general section. In the openings I could not contribute good stuff. There I'm a grateful reader what holds for several members in the general section too.

Then there are some health issues taking a lot of power.
  

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Reply #148 - 09/03/17 at 01:59:17
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I think trw makes some good points, and could very well inspire the focus of some subsequent discussions to take 'where can we find something different to the engine' with the appropriate explanation. Also, welcome back to the Forum!
  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #147 - 09/02/17 at 19:04:04
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barnaby wrote on 05/16/17 at 22:12:31:
In addition, and more specific to the uniqueness of this site, the advent of powerful engines owned by everyone renders every thread moot once someone posts the BEST LINE BY SILICON and there is really nothing more to discuss there, is there?

OTOH, the main strength of the site, I really feel, has always been the HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS in the individual sections. 


First of all, I think engines have improved at such a rapid clip that it is getting much harder to correct them then it used to be. Back when I started posting here, very little effort was required to find holes in the engines. These days, I can spend days often to find tiny improvements over what the engine recommends.

This has led I feel to an increase in people even top level GMs blindly follow the engines. Indeed, the reactions I get from class players and masters alike at the reaction to my playing high level correspondence is: "Why? Like you just follow the engine right?" Indeed, I do not. Which brings me to my point, perhaps there is a way to engage the other high level correspondence players that don't follow the engines blindly. A way to make the conversations focus more deeply on spots the engines have yet to understand (which is usually the opening!). And most importantly, bring deep verbiage to explaining ideas and concepts in openings within our community which is something the engines can never do.


ErictheRed wrote on 07/03/17 at 01:31:19:
I think the question, Lee, is why members aren't posting enough.


I am guilty of this myself. I went back and read this entire thread. It took me awhile to pin point why exactly I drifted off. I guess it was due to a particular author who took a ton of analysis I produced on this very website and made an entire chapter of his book out it. I was never credited. I certainly didn't receive any monetary compensation. Sure, I have an easy lawsuit but I am not one interested in that. Yes, in the front of the book under sources, he listed "Chesspublishing.com and forums" which is as close as he got to admitting an entire 40 pages of his book was written by someone else on this forum. After this, I pretty much lost my taste for posting my analysis. Not consciously mind you, I wasn't really aware this incident was affecting me so much... but truly why would I post if my work will be lifted for commercial gain of another with zero credit to my hard work and years of testing my ideas in correspondence? This is different from the argument Nakamura and Kamsky regularly make about someone publishing a book about the players. They are not able to get the player's comments, analysis and thoughts without those players. Here, the author did just that. Anyways, the end result was I became fairly inactive and took roughly a 3 year break from posting (tho not moderating and silently lurking).

As to what eventually brought me back, the issue is two fold. First, I am interested in making a strong push again to improve myself and largely considered my discussions here with MNB and Markovich (RIP) to be a large part of my rapid improvement.

Second, I met an individual while traveling that I got into several interesting discussions with over the course of a tournament. I forget which night it was but perhaps the 3rd or 4th night with this man, we got to talking about external free resources of high quality. I mentioned chesspub forums. He said he already used them and asked my username. When I responded, he said "Oh! I have been reading your posts for years! They have helped me so much! Let me buy you a drink!" Tbh, this caught me rather flat footed. Undoubtedly, I would not be shocked to hear such a remark about Markovich but about myself... I hadn't really thought it possible and this was high praise indeed.

Keano wrote on 08/23/17 at 02:46:27:
I think in this day and age a lot of the "professional" stuff produced is simply drivel.

99% of chess books would be better off in the bin. And much of mine have gone that direction.

@Brabo makes a fair point.




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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #146 - 08/23/17 at 02:46:27
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I think in this day and age a lot of the "professional" stuff produced is simply drivel.

99% of chess books would be better off in the bin. And much of mine have gone that direction.

@Brabo makes a fair point.

  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #145 - 08/21/17 at 20:55:10
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 08/20/17 at 13:33:00:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 08/18/17 at 11:55:35:
We do some advertising for the main site, probably not enough, though.


Perhaps I should mention that the main site is doing very well, though, and this post was specifically about this Forum.

In 2014 http://kenilworthian.blogspot.de/2014/09/the-end-of-chess-blogging.html already wrote that professional writers made amateurs increasingly irrelevant. So I am not at all surprised that the professional chesspub writers are doing much better than the amateur writers of the forum.
In general people believe that the more you pay, the more quality you can get. I see this behavior also around me. My opponents buy expensive books but don't read the free published analysis on my blog which I use against them to score some easy points. 2 of my most recent articles contain examples about this phenomenon see
http://chess-brabo.blogspot.de/2017/08/the-open-games.html
http://chess-brabo.blogspot.de/2017/08/matches.html
This season I even beated my own captain/president/20 year teammate, former belgian champion with a refutation which was published on my blog. In the post-mortem I just gave him the link to the article.
If you encounter such experiences then I very well understand why amateur-writers give up. However things are not all negative. There are still every day dozens or even hundreds of visitors interested in non-professional posts or articles. I notice this at the statistics of my blog but also by strangers regularly telling me that they follow my articles. So I refuse to accept that there is no place on the internet anymore for amateurs.
  
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Reply #144 - 08/21/17 at 12:38:20
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Reply #143 - 08/20/17 at 18:33:59
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I agree with the concern.  In the "old days", there were forum members who were interested in engaging in debates about theory above and beyond the basic questions of repertoire, impressions of latest book and how do I improve?  This forum was a big influence to me as I rejoined competitive chess toward the tail end of my business career.  I was drawn in by people like the late  Mark "Markovich" Morss (and many others like MNb, Ametanoitos (Ntirlis), ErictheRed, etc...) who had strong opinions and were willing to back them up.

I recently posted on the French thread about trends in the Tarrasch partly in response to this thread about the forum.  I was "secretly" hoping to stimulate some more substantial discussion about the variation by putting a few of my own observations out there and seeing if anyone wanted to engage.  As you will see if you look at the thread, we didn't get very far.

So, what to do?  Perhaps it's just a phase and new forum members will join and add to the activity and content.  An idea that occurred to me would be to have the moderators play a more active role and suggest a current game or tabyia (ideally with a question(s) to focus responses) each month for input and discussion by forum members.  Then if the GM/IM writer for that section could cover it in their monthly update, it might increase forum activity while still providing an incentive for members to subscribe to the main site to see the GM/IM "final verdict."   This may be impractical or should be done less frequently than monthly, but it would be interesting to try if there was sufficient support particularly by the moderators.  Just a thought....  Wink
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #142 - 08/20/17 at 13:33:00
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 08/18/17 at 11:55:35:
We do some advertising for the main site, probably not enough, though.


Perhaps I should mention that the main site is doing very well, though, and this thread was specifically about this Forum.
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Reply #141 - 08/18/17 at 11:55:35
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Reverse wrote on 08/18/17 at 10:59:58:
GM Simon Williams (GingerGM.com) gives some free advertisement and recommendation for this site in one of his latest youtube videos on his round 1 in Dundee. He claimed he used chesspub to prepare the classical french.


I imagine he advertised the main ChessPublishing.com site, rather than this Forum?
We do some advertising for the main site, probably not enough, though. Embarrassed
  
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Reply #140 - 08/18/17 at 10:59:58
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GM Simon Williams (GingerGM.com) gives some free advertisement and recommendation for this site in one of his latest youtube videos on his round 1 in Dundee. He claimed he used chesspub to prepare the classical french. 

Might be worth advertising a little. I recall seeing chesspub advertisements in chess life (United States Chess) 10+ years ago...but not much since.

  
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Reply #139 - 08/09/17 at 09:35:44
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RoleyPoley wrote on 07/21/17 at 21:36:27:
I kind of liked this one in the french thread.


OK, I've stickied it, thanks Smiley
  
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Reply #138 - 07/28/17 at 23:40:05
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Nickajack wrote on 07/24/17 at 17:57:12:
Just to clarify, I have no issue when a respected, (titled also helps) member posts engine analysis. An "engine warrior" would be a class-type player with little understanding of the game relying excessively on the engines and claiming to be an automatic expert analyst.  Angry


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Reply #137 - 07/24/17 at 17:57:12
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Keano wrote on 07/22/17 at 00:35:10:
noticed a strange type of poster crop up, no names obviously. But this type of stuff, with little respect for the game, does discourage genuine posters from contributing.


Just to clarify, I have no issue when a respected, (titled also helps) member posts engine analysis. An "engine warrior" would be a class-type player with little understanding of the game relying excessively on the engines and claiming to be an automatic expert analyst.  Angry
  

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Reply #136 - 07/22/17 at 16:45:51
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/05/17 at 09:49:45:
ErictheRed wrote on 06/29/17 at 15:42:26:
One thought: I don't know that it would lead to more use, but some "stickied" threads in certain areas might help.


I can do this, too, if anyone has any ideas for useful threads that could be 'stickied' please let me know. Smiley


I was thinking of some of the general questions, the answers to which don't change very much.  How do I improve at chess?  What opening should a beginning player choose?  Those kinds of threads. 

If I dig around in the older posts and find some good ones, I'll send you a PM.
  
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