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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #64 - 06/21/17 at 09:10:02
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Gorath wrote on 06/20/17 at 19:37:37:
Nobody can guarantee closing the sub-forums would increase traffic. The positive effects would be less strict structure, less mouse clicks to get to the active threads and getting rid of a lot of proof(!) that most sub-forums have close to zero traffic.


I personally find it now takes me less mouse clicks and less time to find the stuff that interests me, but I could try removing some of the lass active sub-forums. I'm afraid it would be permanent, though, I certainly don't want to have to go through all the threads and reassign them again in the future.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #63 - 06/21/17 at 06:55:08
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Gorath wrote on 06/20/17 at 19:37:37:
I don't know if the forum software currently allows embedding YouTube videos.



  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #62 - 06/20/17 at 19:37:37
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Nobody can guarantee closing the sub-forums would increase traffic. The positive effects would be less strict structure, less mouse clicks to get to the active threads and getting rid of a lot of proof(!) that most sub-forums have close to zero traffic. Looking dead potentially scares people away.
In forums without such heavy content, e.g. video games, it's normal to quickly open new forums for fresh product and close them when the traffic gets below a certain threshold for a certain time.

It's certainly a good idea to think the whole thing through before taking action. It's a PITA to get the sub-forums back once they're gone, unless you find a way to tag the threads in some way.

Three ideas:
1) Would it make sense to restructure the forum in a way that encourages activity? Let's say a book review forum? Or one to discuss live events? A volunteer or a mod could easily open meaningful threads there just by following the news. Real chess content could then be split off and moved to a sub-forum, which increases activity there.
Maybe ask Malcolm Pain's book shop if they want to sponsor the book forum with a few giveaways every couple of months? Or rotate the book publishers for cooperations, no money involved?
And BTW, why are the ChessPub General forums at the top? I would get them out of the way. The important stuff should be at the top.
2) I know of a reasonably big video game site, a professional joint with ca. 5 full time writers, who use a virtual currency to activate their user base. Posting news gives n tokens. If the newsbit makes it to breaking use, the tokens double. A comment to  a newsbit gives tokens. Subscribing to the site gives many tokens. They dish out tokens for everything. A trainload of tokens can be converted into subscription time when they renew. The good thing about digital product is that it can be multiplied for free. Wink
Just food for thought.
3) I don't know if the forum software currently allows embedding YouTube videos. If not you should activate this. Linking to already existing videos is the easiest content you can get.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #61 - 06/20/17 at 13:59:49
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Seeley wrote on 06/19/17 at 20:29:49:
What a pity. The discussion had been courteous and constructive until this. One of the reasons I post quite rarely is because of precisely this sort of intervention, belittling alternative viewpoints by characterising people whose opinions are different from that of the poster as suffering from a mental disorder. This doesn't move the discussion forward and it's downright insulting.


I think his post was slightly tongue in cheek and pretty much a good post tbh.

If people are going to be getting that sensitive about posts then we really will be having a problem.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #60 - 06/20/17 at 05:38:54
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/19/17 at 23:19:01:
maybe the Forum is not dying at all, but was just resting?



  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #59 - 06/19/17 at 23:19:01
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Seeley wrote on 06/19/17 at 20:29:49:
barnaby wrote on 06/19/17 at 16:30:27:
The subforums are superfluous at best and are just am unneeded indulgence for those people with mild forum OCD and organizational obsessions.

What a pity. The discussion had been courteous and constructive until this. One of the reasons I post quite rarely is because of precisely this sort of intervention, belittling alternative viewpoints by characterising people whose opinions are different from that of the poster as suffering from a mental disorder. This doesn't move the discussion forward and it's downright insulting.


Yes, I quite agree.
Still, it's nice to see so many posts these last few days - maybe the Forum is not dying at all, but was just resting?
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #58 - 06/19/17 at 21:03:34
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What a pity. The discussion had been courteous and constructive until this. One of the reasons I post quite rarely is because of precisely this sort of intervention, belittling alternative viewpoints by characterising people whose opinions are different from that of the poster as suffering from a mental disorder. This doesn't move the discussion forward and it's downright insulting.

I can only agree. Personally (and that's all I'm saying -- I totally respect others feeling differently), I just happen to like it that if I want to post about, or read about, say, the Pirc, I can go straight to the Pirc sub-forum and do that. I was charmed to learn that this makes me some sort of obsessive!
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #57 - 06/19/17 at 20:29:49
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barnaby wrote on 06/19/17 at 16:30:27:
The subforums are superfluous at best and are just am unneeded indulgence for those people with mild forum OCD and organizational obsessions.

What a pity. The discussion had been courteous and constructive until this. One of the reasons I post quite rarely is because of precisely this sort of intervention, belittling alternative viewpoints by characterising people whose opinions are different from that of the poster as suffering from a mental disorder. This doesn't move the discussion forward and it's downright insulting.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #56 - 06/19/17 at 20:29:20
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LeeRoth wrote on 06/19/17 at 19:43:00:
I don't like the sub-fora, but I don't think that's the problem.  Stefan identified the problem in another thread.  The reason that activity has declined is because people don't post moves.   Cool


I like the sub forum (and if we dropped them and saw the forum grow in popularity again would we think of bringing them back?), but also agree with Stefan's comments. The quality of the discussion in previous years has been fantastic. Get a little bit more of that back and i'm sure many of the once regular posters would come back and maybe some new faces too.

Not all traffic would be welcomed - i'm sure we have seen some of the content in threads on other popular chess forums we wouldnt want to see replicated here.
  

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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #55 - 06/19/17 at 19:43:00
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I don't like the sub-fora, but I don't think that's the problem.  Stefan identified the problem in another thread.  The reason that activity has declined is because people don't post moves.   Cool
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #54 - 06/19/17 at 16:30:27
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The subforums are superfluous at best and are just am unneeded indulgence for those people with mild forum OCD and organizational obsessions.

They may not be the cause of the paucity of postings but they are not helping and do nothing to bring more people into the buffet.

They need to be flushed along with a general retooling of the site if change is really going to effect a boost in users and posts.

Cross-pollination with other chess sites seems a good option to achieve the desired results but this also requires allowing them a platform for advertising their wares as well.... could be mutually beneficial though.

  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #53 - 06/19/17 at 15:02:12
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I think it was @Gorath in a post before that suggested "Standard practice when forums have less activity than expected is closing all slow sub-forums" so I took it for granted he was right as most of his post made pretty good sense to me.

If that is not the case then I stand corrected....

From a personal point of view I used to post quite often on various openings but somehow dont anymore, and I think part of the reason is that I have to stop and think which sub forum I should be posting in. Which for the number of posts going on should not really be required. It sounds silly but thats modern life, those seconds of your life will be lost and meanwhile you've turned on the news.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #52 - 06/19/17 at 13:27:30
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Yes, increasing traffic is "the most important".
If you were to provide 'irrefutable proof' that reducing the count of subforums would accomplish that, I'd happily go through with it (despite disliking it personally).

I am unsure why exactly that is supposed to happen, though - 
Do you imagine there to be hordes of people that enter Chesspub, thinking "I really want to engage in deep discussion about the theoretical significance of Caruanas 15.Rg1 against the Najdorf PP",
who then look at the main page, go "Wow, that's a lot of subforums, nah, not doing it", and leave?

I truly don't know why closing subforums is supposed to be helpful in any way, at all.
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #51 - 06/19/17 at 10:46:10
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I think the point is to increase traffic, it seems there are personal preferences both ways, but surely thats the most important?
  
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Re: Is this forum dying?
Reply #50 - 06/19/17 at 07:34:04
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Completely agree with IsaVulpes and Stigma. Further I think it is much easier now to find what new posts I am interested in.
  

What kind of proof is that?
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