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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #10 - 06/12/17 at 20:46:30
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urusov wrote on 06/12/17 at 17:52:01:
This bibliography on The Stonewall in Black and White may be of help:
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2012/03/stonewall-in-black-and-white-annotated...

Very helpful, thanks!
  
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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #9 - 06/12/17 at 18:12:21
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TD wrote on 05/25/17 at 10:01:32:
an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 05/24/17 at 16:25:23:
I had success with the older equalizer 1.d4 d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Bd3 Nc6!, from Schlechter I believe.

Davies mentions this in the game Tarrasch-Chigorin (Hastings 1895) in his book "The Chess Player's Battle Manual".

My game started 1.d4 Nf6 2.c3 c5 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 d5 5.f4, so no Nc6 "tricks".


Considering you played ...d5 on the next move, what were you trying to accomplish with 3...e6?  It seems unnecessarily committal (or you were afraid of White capturing on c5).  You should probably have followed up with 4...b6 instead; if White insists on a Stonewall you have 5.f4 Ba6!.  Otherwise 5.Nf3 Bb7 is just a harmless Colle.

I wouldn't be afraid of playing 3...d5 in that position, though.  If White wants to cling to c5 let him; in my experience with non-titled players, they either 1) won't take on c5 because it's not part of the "system" that they're trying to play, or 2) you'll get fine compensation if they do.  After 1.d4 Nf6 2.c3 c5 3.e3 d5 4.dc Black can play either 4...e6 or 4...g6 with interesting play.  This is not something that would worry me as Black at all. 

Edit: I see that you had the White pieces in that game, but my points still stand.

  
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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #8 - 06/12/17 at 17:52:01
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This bibliography on The Stonewall in Black and White may be of help:
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2012/03/stonewall-in-black-and-white-annotated...

  
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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #7 - 05/25/17 at 10:01:32
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 05/24/17 at 16:25:23:
I had success with the older equalizer 1.d4 d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Bd3 Nc6!, from Schlechter I believe.

Davies mentions this in the game Tarrasch-Chigorin (Hastings 1895) in his book "The Chess Player's Battle Manual".

My game started 1.d4 Nf6 2.c3 c5 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 d5 5.f4, so no Nc6 "tricks".
  
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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #6 - 05/24/17 at 16:25:23
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The Stonewall Attack allows more than one good defense. I had success with the older equalizer 1.d4 d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Bd3 Nc6!, from Schlechter I believe. Then: 4.f4 Nb4, 4.c3 e5, 4.c4 dxc4, 4.Nf3 (best, *not* a Stonewall) 4...Bg4!? (my preference, maybe a little aggressive, 4...Nb4 is not bad) 5.h3 Bxf3 6.Qxf3 e5.

One of the local club players used to follow the repertoire in Horowitz's How to Think Ahead in Chess, which recommended the Stonewall for white. Schlechter's defense was not in that book, and he was pretty much helpless against it.
  
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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #5 - 05/24/17 at 03:54:46
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ReneDescartes wrote on 05/24/17 at 03:12:24:
If Black plays ...Nf6, ...d5, ...c5, ...Nc6, ...Bg4 and ...e6 (idea Bf5), White can equalize with careful play. This is how Kramnik, Kamsky, and Nepo handled the position as Black. Also recommended by Cox and Avrukh.


Incidentally that approach goes back a way.  In the 1970s Bagirov basically gave 1. d4 d5 2. e3 Nf6 3. Bd3 c5 4. c3 Nc6 5. f4 Bg4 6. Nf3 e6 7. 0-0 Bd6 8. Qe1 0-0 9. Ne5 Bf5! =+, citing Pachman.  Among more recent authors, Rizzitano also chose it for his QGA repertoire book.
  
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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #4 - 05/24/17 at 03:12:24
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If Black plays ...Nf6, ...d5, ...c5, ...Nc6, ...Bg4 and ...e6 (idea Bf5), White can equalize with careful play. This is how Kramnik, Kamsky, and Nepo handled the position as Black. Also recommended by Cox and Avrukh.

  
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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #3 - 05/23/17 at 02:26:39
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TD wrote on 05/20/17 at 09:06:24:
Last night I surprised my opponent by playing the Stonewall Attack (d4, c3, e3, f4 etc.). Does anybody have (much) experience with this system? Comments? IM- or GM-specialists? Literature?


The Stonewall Attack Paperback  – 1993 - Andy Soltis (GM) 

Publishing date probably also reflects the last time a Master essayed this in tournament play.  Undecided
  

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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #2 - 05/21/17 at 22:34:11
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TD wrote on 05/20/17 at 09:06:24:
Does anybody have (much) experience with this system? Comments? IM- or GM-specialists?


I think the best response by Black is to play ..Nf6, .. Bg7, .. d6, .. Nbd7 (if needed) and aim for an early .. e5. It doesn't matter if it's a sacrifice as long as .. Ng4 can be played.

Although a tempo behind, abandoning the Stonewall and meeting that idea with e4 to get an Austrian Attack Pirc of sorts may be White's best.
  
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Re: Stonewall Attack
Reply #1 - 05/20/17 at 09:56:24
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TD wrote on 05/20/17 at 09:06:24:
Last night I surprised my opponent by playing the Stonewall Attack (d4, c3, e3, f4 etc.). Does anybody have (much) experience with this system? Comments? IM- or GM-specialists? Literature?


There was an article on Chess.com that i read sometime last year. May have been by Serper. Soltis had a book on it about 30 years ago, dont know any others since (unless covered in books on London system or Colle Zuketort which have similar attacks?)
  

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Last night I surprised my opponent by playing the Stonewall Attack (d4, c3, e3, f4 etc.). Does anybody have (much) experience with this system? Comments? IM- or GM-specialists? Literature?
  
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