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Re: "e3 Poison" by Axel Smith
Reply #84 - 09/26/18 at 23:59:36
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Thanks, kylemeister. Looks like 5 a3 may be (slightly) the 'richer' option ...
  
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Re: "e3 Poison" by Axel Smith
Reply #83 - 09/26/18 at 19:40:44
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Michael Ayton wrote on 09/26/18 at 10:23:58:
I'm in no position to argue White gets an edge here (of course one wonders where he can these days!), but no less a commentator than Max Illingworth has suggested that Black's task after 5 a3 isn't that simple ... (Perhaps it's the same after 5 cd?)


I noticed that ECO had 5. cd as leading to +=, while NCO had it as =.  The difference concerned the line  5...ed 6. Bb5+ Bd7.  I see that Smith comments that that "gives an IQP-position without the light-squared bishops.  White is closer to the heavy piece-ending he is striving for, but Black is not unhappy to get rid of his bad bishop.  So both players are satisfied and White will have some slight pressure before a draw is agreed."

I also see that after 5. a3, Smith gives 5...dc (6. Bxc4 a6) an exclam.
  
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Re: "e3 Poison" by Axel Smith
Reply #82 - 09/26/18 at 12:20:05
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Very interesting, Stigma, thanks!

Another approach for us sometime Reti players is to play e2-e3 only after 1 Nf3 d5 2 c4 e6/c6. That's if 2 ...d4 3 b4 is holding up of course, about which I have no idea. A subject for the Demuth Reti book thread ...
  
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Re: "e3 Poison" by Axel Smith
Reply #81 - 09/26/18 at 11:45:14
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Michael Ayton wrote on 09/26/18 at 10:23:58:
I like this reasoning (relating to the 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 g6 3 c4 Bg7 move order), but for those of us interested in non-mainline options with some sting, I don't see one after 4 Nc3 d5 here to parallel the Smyslov System against 4 ...d6 (5 Bg5 then e2-e3). Is there one?

For consistency with the strategic Smyslov system, 5.h4!? is probably too sharp, and maybe not that good either. But you could look into the delayed Nadanian with 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Na4!? and the Exchange with 8.h3!?, the latter scores surprisingly well and has seen a revival in the last couple of years.

After writing the above I hit the database and found the "Axel Smith school of chess" answer right there: Both Smith himself and associates like Grandelius, Frisk and Lobersli have played 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Bg5, which can be annoying for Black to face. After 6...Nxc3 7.bxc3 c5 8.e3 White's centre is rock-solid.
  

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Reply #80 - 09/26/18 at 10:23:58
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Hmm.  Back in the 2000s, ECO "thought" various ways of playing by Black after 5. a3 should lead to equality (or unclarity), though I notice it didn't mention 5...dc 6. Bxc4 a6 (when 7. 0-0 is a recognized QGA line).

I'm in no position to argue White gets an edge here (of course one wonders where he can these days!), but no less a commentator than Max Illingworth has suggested that Black's task after 5 a3 isn't that simple ... (Perhaps it's the same after 5 cd?)

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Sorry, having actually checked it, the suggest move order is in fact 3 d4(!) [avoiding the Reversed Blumenfeld; 3 c4 d4 4 b4, which Axel Smith says is interesting, but less consistent with the rest of the repertoire], and then 3...e6 "transposes to the Tarrasch", in which he does indeed give the line with 5 a3(!).

Given that if you play an early e2-e3 (and want non-insipid setups) you have to be prepared to play various position types, you could argue that it's Smith's very avoidance of the Reversed Blumenfeld that's inconsistent here, especially as this is a pretty good version for White!

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You could always play something "real" against the King's Indian and Grunfeld, while incorporating Axel's lines against other openings.  4.Nc3 and White still has a ton of options. [ErictheRed on p. 4.]

I like this reasoning (relating to the 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 g6 3 c4 Bg7 move order), but for those of us interested in non-mainline options with some sting, I don't see one after 4 Nc3 d5 here to parallel the Smyslov System against 4 ...d6 (5 Bg5 then e2-e3). Is there one? For this and other reasons I'm interested in the 1 Nf3 d5 2 e3 move order, when after 2 ...Nf6 3 c4 g6, White perhaps(?) has reasonable chances of an edge (or at least an incisive setup) with 4 b4, say, or with 4 cd Nd5 5 d4 (5 Qb3!?) Bg7 6 e4!?. I stand to be corrected!
  
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Reply #79 - 09/26/18 at 03:18:19
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Sorry, having actually checked it, the suggest move order is in fact 3 d4(!) [avoiding the Reversed Blumenfeld; 3 c4 d4 4 b4, which Axel Smith says is interesting, but less consistent with the rest of the repertoire], and then 3...e6 "transposes to the Tarrasch", in which he does indeed give the line with 5 a3(!).
  
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Reply #78 - 09/26/18 at 01:53:38
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Hmm.  Back in the 2000s, ECO "thought" various ways of playing by Black after 5. a3 should lead to equality (or unclarity), though I notice it didn't mention 5...dc 6. Bxc4 a6 (when 7. 0-0 is a recognized QGA line).
  
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Reply #77 - 09/25/18 at 23:30:26
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Reply #76 - 09/25/18 at 20:25:41
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5 a3 (!), indeed.
  
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Re: "e3 Poison" by Axel Smith
Reply #75 - 09/25/18 at 19:45:46
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I guess you mean 4 d4, when after 4 ...Nf6 neither 5 cd nor 5 a3!? are wholly innocuous ...  I've been thinking that's the best way for White to go.
  
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Reply #74 - 09/25/18 at 19:33:01
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3...e6 just reaches the standard QGD thingy, doesn't it?
  
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Reply #73 - 09/25/18 at 14:37:33
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Can someone tell us what's his poison against 1 Nf3 d5 2 e3 c5, and if it convinces? I quite like 3 c4 here after 3 ...Nf6 4 cd Nd5 5 Nc3, or 3 ...d4 4 b4, but what on 3 ...e6? Of course, there's also 3 d4 (and 3 b3 and 3 Bb5), but which lines are incisive, and which insipid?
  
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Re: "e3 Poison" by Axel Smith
Reply #72 - 08/30/18 at 16:25:22
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Fllg wrote on 08/30/18 at 14:47:21:
His suggestion against the KID is a "reversed KIA": 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.e3 g6 3.d4 Bg7 4.c4 0-0 5.Be2 d6 6.Nc3 Nbd7 7.0-0 e5 8.Qc2.


Or to put it another way, it's a French Defence set up against the KIA a tempo up.

  

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Re: "e3 Poison" by Axel Smith
Reply #71 - 08/30/18 at 14:47:21
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His suggestion against the KID is a "reversed KIA": 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.e3 g6 3.d4 Bg7 4.c4 0-0 5.Be2 d6 6.Nc3 Nbd7 7.0-0 e5 8.Qc2.
  
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Re: "e3 Poison" by Axel Smith
Reply #70 - 08/30/18 at 14:35:45
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Could anyone say what does Smith suggests against the KID?
  
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