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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #12 - 08/03/17 at 04:39:06
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Yes, of course. 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 Nh5!? 3.Bg5 h6 4.Bh4 g5 5.e3 Nf6 6.Bg3, and what has black gained? Interestingly, the exact position arises after 2...h6 3.e3 g5 4.Bg3. White's moves make a better impression than black's.

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d6!? 3.Bf4 Nh5 actually has more point compared to 2.Bf4 Nh5: 4.Bg5 h6 5.Bh4 g5 6.Bg3 Nd7!?. Black is a tempo ahead of a system I have applied successfully as black: 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5 Nbd7 4.Nbd2 h6 5.Bh4 g5 6.Bg3 Nh5. In this system black at least gets the B-pair to compensate for the kingside commitment.
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #11 - 08/02/17 at 21:10:29
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For an idea against the new move order perhaps best left to rapid and lightning, the line 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 Nh5 is playable.

It's playable on move 3 in the old lines as well, it would appear
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #10 - 07/27/17 at 17:44:42
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CanadianClub wrote on 07/26/17 at 22:31:07:
But if their Knight can't go to e5 (because of not d5 by Black), then... uuppss... what to play?  Cool


The auto pilot plan is d4, Nf3, Bf4, c3, Nbd2, Be2(or Bd3 or Bc4), O-O, h3, Bh2, a4 and then decide what to do with the Rooks and the Queen.

That applies almost regardless of whether Black uses a Reti structure with Nf6, g6, Bg7, O-O, d6,c5, b6, Bb7, Nbd7 (or Nc6) or Hedgehog style with e6 and Be7 instead of g6 and Bg7.
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #9 - 07/27/17 at 11:48:32
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Yoy can see Carlsen' games playing this line as Black. Once White moves his knight to d2, then it's key to take on d5. If White retakes with exd5 (the most common option) then there is no e4. If White takes cxd5 (symmetrical pawn structure) then it's you who will probably are going to play in the queenside (remember: white don't have at his disposal the logical move Nc3 because he moved Nbd2).

A video explaining it a bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YARzPWgDSQ

It's available to people (like me) that play the move order Nf6 + e6, of course.
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #8 - 07/27/17 at 06:16:28
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CanadianClub, if I can't put my knight on e5 that probably means there is a pawn on d6, so I would play e4 at the right moment, or play on the Queenside.
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #7 - 07/26/17 at 22:31:07
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If I knew somebody 100% sure will not be playing the London against me, I would consider the 1.d4 d5 move order. But as I have been seeing, people like to put on the autopilot mode against 1.d4 d5 (Nf3 Bf4 e3 c3 Nd2 0-0 h3 Ne5 Qe2 etc....). But if their Knight can't go to e5 (because of not d5 by Black), then... uuppss... what to play?  Cool
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #6 - 07/26/17 at 17:17:23
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At least 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 c5 is also covered as an alternative to an approach with ...d5.
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #5 - 07/26/17 at 09:04:04
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RdC wrote on 07/25/17 at 23:03:18:
It seem to concentrate most on .. d5 defences. Perhaps it's not so useful for those who reach the position 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 and are reluctant to play .. d5.

This seems odd if you compare it with Sedlak's explanation of his decision to cover only lines with ...d5:

"Personally, I'm not a fan of the London System against 1...Nf6, especially when Black arranges his pieces as he would in the King's Indian Defence. The position of the bishop on f4 seems adequate to me only when black plays 1...d5, in which case it has a very important role to play, as opposed to when Black has the option of playing ...d6 when the London set-up seems less logical and I don't believe in it."

After ...g6 both Dembo and Avrukh give lines with ...d6, not ...d5 (except against Nc3).
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #4 - 07/25/17 at 23:03:18
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TD wrote on 07/25/17 at 10:28:10:
An excerpt is up:



It seem to concentrate most on .. d5 defences. Perhaps it's not so useful for those who reach the position 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 and are reluctant to play .. d5.
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #3 - 07/25/17 at 20:40:29
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It should be out in a few days...
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
Reply #2 - 07/25/17 at 20:00:23
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And so the fightback begins...
  
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Re: Fighting the London System
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Fighting the London System
07/15/17 at 21:17:03
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I just started playing it... Curious to see what this book has to say about the London System.

http://www.chess-stars.com/Future_Plans.html
  
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