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Michael YaBB Newbies Offline Great investment - ChessPublishing! Posts: 21 Joined: 06/16/12	Re: ICCF Database error Reply #8 - 11/09/17 at 10:28:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	The ICCF database is a terrible mess if you rely on player names, hundreds of players are in the database with variations of their name shown as different players. More recent games should be fine now the majority are played on their web-server. I think the archivist has done an excellent job though, it must have been very time consuming collating all the postal and email names and players will not have helped by using variations of their names. Probably the failing by ICCF is in not simply using a players ICCF id to identify every one from the start.


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trw YaBB Moderator Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1414 Joined: 05/06/08 Gender:	Re: ICCF Database error Reply #7 - 10/10/17 at 03:55:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	I now found two other such instances that don't involve me or ICCF. However, they are games from the USCF 1977 corr championships... alledgedly... however the games are real just not those players or that tournament. They were played in the 2011 USCL season on ICC.


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trw YaBB Moderator Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1414 Joined: 05/06/08 Gender:	Re: ICCF Database error Reply #6 - 10/06/17 at 07:38:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/04/17 at 08:38:20: Nickajack wrote on 10/03/17 at 21:03:51: Unfortunately, it is not an uncommon occurrence to see the same game attributed to different players, especially with ICCF games. Sometimes it's only one of the two players' names that is different. I used the ChessBase tool to 'Improve Player Names' on a database once and while it did a reasonable job on the vast majority it also altered quite a lot of correct names into faulty ones, which I still have to clean-up from time-to-time. Really annoying, and I certainly wouldn't trust it again. Perhaps the ICCF have also used this, which explains why some of the games have the wrong names?! Interesting theory, it could be it. I guess. Did they ever make up a name in this faulty instance?


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3152 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: ICCF Database error Reply #5 - 10/04/17 at 08:38:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	Nickajack wrote on 10/03/17 at 21:03:51: Unfortunately, it is not an uncommon occurrence to see the same game attributed to different players, especially with ICCF games. Sometimes it's only one of the two players' names that is different. I used the ChessBase tool to 'Improve Player Names' on a database once and while it did a reasonable job on the vast majority it also altered quite a lot of correct names into faulty ones, which I still have to clean-up from time-to-time. Really annoying, and I certainly wouldn't trust it again. Perhaps the ICCF have also used this, which explains why some of the games have the wrong names?!


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Nickajack Junior Member Offline Yabba Dabba Doo! Posts: 57 Location: USA Joined: 02/21/17 Gender:	Re: ICCF Database error Reply #4 - 10/03/17 at 21:03:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Unfortunately, it is not an uncommon occurrence to see the same game attributed to different players, especially with ICCF games. Sometimes it's only one of the two players' names that is different. [I'm not referring to short games where many players have walked into the same trap over time, or quit prematurely.] Since nowadays ICCF games are server based, it's hard to see how this could be happening.

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bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1829 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: ICCF Database error Reply #3 - 09/29/17 at 10:03:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	In that case I think you should ask ICCF directly or ask your chess federation about it. Something has possible gone wrong when the game was added into the database so two different players games got random names from a random event or else time travel or alternative time lines are involed.


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trw YaBB Moderator Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1414 Joined: 05/06/08 Gender:	Re: ICCF Database error Reply #2 - 09/29/17 at 08:28:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes, everyone with my last name is related to me and I am the only player in my family that plays chess. So no chance it is someone else. It is indeed my exact rating from an exact event that I played... except my opponent doesn't exist and has never existed in any database ever. The name is very similar to a person I played in that tournament though I didn't win our game (it was a draw) and it wasn't a KID. The rating is also similar.


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bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1829 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: ICCF Database error Reply #1 - 09/26/17 at 08:29:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Are you shure that you are the only one with your name? Is it 100% unique? Does the rating match you rating? I dont think the database stores per your id number but rather your name? My name is 100% unique since my grandfather invented my lastname in 1951 and it had never been used before. My first name is Tomas. I have a cousin called Tom. And hes wife has the same firstname as one of my sisters and took his familyname. I have a other memory from Beating the Siciilian 3 about Joe Gallaghers comment about a Jim Gallagher (probebly long lost cousin to judge from hes chess style).


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trw YaBB Moderator Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1414 Joined: 05/06/08 Gender:	ICCF Database error 09/02/17 at 17:16:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	So I play the KID with both colors at correspondence (rather successfully I might add). And a rather dodgy way to play against a player is to look up their own lines and play it against them. In fact on some servers this is considered cheating and banable (I think that is a bit far and I don't know how they enforce it...). Nevertheless, I have found it is quite common which brings me to my point. A particular line in the KID was considered "put to bed" and unplayable based off a rather famous game I played. Except I wasn't aware of the reputation of said game because... I never played it. It didn't happen. And I only found out this game was attributed to me when I looked in the database and saw he was using "my line" against me. Has anyone else come across fake games? Especially from such reputed sources as ICCF?


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