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Re: Books on Analyzing One's Own Games
Reply #9 - 01/04/18 at 12:19:19
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Stigma wrote on 01/04/18 at 11:34:12:
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Nice and exhaustive list of technical issues, but I feel the single most important thing is missing from it: Getting your own thoughts during the game down in a database (or on paper) as soon as possible after the game, and before checking with any kind of engine, tablebase, opening book, etc.

I want to add 2 things about that aspect.
1) Yes I agree we should also cover the ideas which popped up during the game but did not materialize on the board in the analysis of a game. I do that as mentioned on my blog but from technical point there is not much to say. The ideas are something personal so you have them or you don't have them.
2) A serious standard game lasts between 3-5 hours. During that time you are normally concentrated maximally at producing the best calculations and eventually moves. It is very unlikely that 1-2 hours of some individual analysis afterwards often in a too relaxed environment will produce interesting analysis. I see nowadays most postmortems immediately use engines.

Stigma wrote on 01/04/18 at 11:34:12:
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I'm sure you also recognize that you have a special passion for the technical process of analyzing games and openings. I believe many players get to IM and even GM level without getting close to your level in this area. This isn't intended as criticism; I find your blog very interesting. In fact, I should read it more often!


Some IMs already told me personally that they don't put the same effort into analyzing their games as I do. So yes I am aware that I am not the average player fooling around with some chesssoftware. However even the IMs admit that often they learn something how they can improve the quality of their analysis by reading my blog. In fact I was recently invited to give over 2 weeks a double session about chess-software to a group of chessplayers. I am right now working on the program together with my contacts to make it balanced for everybody.
  
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Reply #8 - 01/04/18 at 11:34:12
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@brabo:

Nice and exhaustive list of technical issues, but I feel the single most important thing is missing from it: Getting your own thoughts during the game down in a database (or on paper) as soon as possible after the game, and before checking with any kind of engine, tablebase, opening book, etc.

I have to admit the last few years I often don't find time even for that, and then it doesn't matter much whether I later check the game with a 2600 or a 3000 engine - I won't have my own thoughts to compare with the oracle's answers.

I'm sure you also recognize that you have a special passion for the technical process of analyzing games and openings. I believe many players get to IM and even GM level without getting close to your level in this area. This isn't intended as criticism; I find your blog very interesting. In fact, I should read it more often!
  

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Reply #7 - 01/04/18 at 08:48:41
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proustiskeen wrote on 01/03/18 at 17:37:23:

These articles mainly try to convince the readers how important it is to analyze one's own games. It only scratches the surface about how you should analyze one's own games.

When I talk on my blog about analyzing my games then I focus on the technical aspects.
1) When to use full analysis/ deep position analysis/ monte carlo analysis, infinite analysis.
2) Does it makes sense for e.g. 1600 rated player to check his analysis with Komodo and then once more with Stockfish, Houdini,...
3) How much time should I give the engine to analyze a game?
4) Which databases should I check for the opening?
5) From which move onwards should I check the opening as clearly from move 1 does not make any sense?
6) Should I use tablebases for the endgame and how?
7) What is the benefit of backwards analyzing?
8) From which point can I consider my played move a mistake?
9) Should I also look at alternatives for every move and what exactly is an acceptable alternative?
10) Should I add comments to the analysis and which comments?
11) Can I remove (bad) analysis as sometimes the file becomes unreadible? How do you deal with that?
12) Should I revise analysis made of years ago or can I let it rest?
13) How often should I check for new versions of engines, databases, hardware? Can I skip some releases....
14) Which shortkeys do you use often? Do you have developed some special tools/ other techniques?

All this I discuss on my blog and much more. For me that are the questions which people are searching when they want an answer about how to analyze one's own games.
  
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Reply #6 - 01/04/18 at 06:54:53
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ErictheRed wrote on 01/03/18 at 16:01:18:
How would you rate those books of Crouch's?  I remember browsing through one and thinking highly of it.  

One similar book that I learned a tremendous amount from is Yermolinsky's The Road to Chess Improvement.  It's more "pure chess" and less about the though processes behind errors, though, so perhaps not quite what you're looking for. 


I quite enjoyed WWLAC - it was an honest and personal appraisal of Crouch's own games (with exercises preceding each example as well), and inspired me to do a similar thing with my own games. AYC I've only skimmed so far, but it looks good as well. 

Yermolinsky's book is actually one I've been meaning to check out for a long time, so thanks for reminding me of it.

Thanks to all for the recommendations - I'll take a closer look.
  
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Reply #5 - 01/03/18 at 22:04:02
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Chris Baker (2002) Learn from Your Chess Mistakes
  
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Reply #4 - 01/03/18 at 19:50:08
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Pump Up Your Rating had advice on this as well, but it wasn't as personal as Crouch's books seemed to be.
  
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Reply #2 - 01/03/18 at 17:17:05
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The first chapter of book 1 of the Dvoretsky/Yusupov school* dealt with finding systematic strengths and weaknesses in both one's own play and that of an opponent. And then of course what to do with such a list. A lot of the examples are from preparation for the Women's Candidates' match Alexandria - Akhmylovskaya, 1980 (Dvoretsky was coaching Alexandria). I found it very instructive, and try do something similar when I have a lot of time to prepare for a specific game.

There are several other chapters on analyzing one's own games in the same book, though I haven't read them. Though in a sense this is the main theme of the entire series (as well as other parts of Dvoretsky's legacy).

This topic of honest self-analysis occurs in virtually all honest "general improvement" chess books, like those by Jonathan Rowson, Lars Bo Hansen, Axel Smith, etc. You could also look at Study Chess with Matthew Sadler, though I don't know how self-critical he gets there.

* Secrets of Chess Training (Olms edition) or Training for the Tournament Player (Batsford edition)
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Reply #1 - 01/03/18 at 16:01:18
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How would you rate those books of Crouch's?  I remember browsing through one and thinking highly of it.  

One similar book that I learned a tremendous amount from is Yermolinsky's The Road to Chess Improvement.  It's more "pure chess" and less about the though processes behind errors, though, so perhaps not quite what you're looking for.
  
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Books on Analyzing One's Own Games
01/03/18 at 10:18:24
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Hi, 

Does anyone know of any other books in a similar vein to (the late) Colin Crouch's "Why We Lose at Chess" and "Analyze your Chess" (i.e. author has a look at their own games and examines their mistakes and the psychology behind them)?
  
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