Stigma wrote on 08/30/18 at 08:37:43:


+1
That's what I meant with "no irony" in my post, exactly that. This is chess. If we stay with chess we can discuss everything freely.

Take chess as an art. If you don't divide the art and the artist you have to forget many.

Jupp53 wrote on 08/29/18 at 22:18:06:

Yes, but Donner's irony won't escape any Dutch chess player. Donner's polite tone is even necessary to make the irony work.

Stigma wrote on 08/30/18 at 00:22:01:

I'm not so sure. That's why I linked to Donner's article.

"Für denjenigen, der ins Absolute schaut, hat der Krieg nur dann einen Sinn, wenn er als Vernichtungskrieg geführt wird."
"For those who look into the absolute, war is only meaningful as a total war, aiming at destruction."
Pretty tasteless, especially in 1956, even for an article about chess. I also suspect that the typical excessive usage of exclamation marks is correleated. But that's just me being incapable of shaking off 20st Century history.
Disclaimer: I've played the BDG and especially the Ryder Gambit myself a few times. I just dislike the mindset connected to the idea that such openings are "special". The more I became aware of the "BDG Gemeinde" (which fortunately seems to be defunct) the worse the taste in my mouth got.
The exclamation mark after 3.b4 is a symptom of such a mindset, though I'm far from sure if Gambit Zilbermints realizes it.

And now I'm done as I've said all I had to say.

MNb wrote on 08/29/18 at 07:25:08:


Thanks for the link. There's no irony of GambitZilbermints being an epigone of Diemer. Donner described him politely. He made many people critical to his (criminal) ideas in consequence of his behavior.

For the uninitiated: Zilbermints is promoting himself in the previous comment. In his language the exclamation mark doesn't mean that the move is objecitvely good, only that he likes it very much. It's part of the Emil Joseph Diemer Method.

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/donner_prophet_von_muggensturm_en.html

I cannot resist the temptation of pointing out the irony of Gambit Zilbermints being an apostle of Diemer.

That would be it, yeah!

Following up with c2-c4 seems strange to me in these lines. I guess it can cut down on the number of lines you need to learn, but Black has played a dodgy line and is being rewarded by a possible transposition back into a respectable opening.

After 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5 3.e4 and Nb1-c3, it's quite hard for Black to get counterplay. e.g. 3...d6 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Nf3 Bg4 6.h3 Bxf3 7.Qxf3 Bg5 8.Bxg5 Qxg5 9.Nb5! Qd8 10.Qg4 Kf8 11.Nxd6. Most of my opponents play something like 5...Nf6 and simply have a poor position. White plays Be2 and 0-0 with Nf3-d2-c4 being an obvious follow-up in most cases. Of course a2-a4 is thrown in at the right moment i.e. after ...a7-a6 or ...Nb8-d7.

fjd wrote on 07/09/18 at 07:43:00:


With the Benko now ruled out (assume White doesn't want to face it) , 3. c4 can also be played

MNb wrote on 07/08/18 at 07:01:30:


Well the game went d4, c5, then e5.