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Reply #41 - 10/25/18 at 02:10:06
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Reply #40 - 10/25/18 at 01:47:50
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http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1529062283 incidentally, I made a thread about that variation. Didn't have the time yet to check out the most recent posts, I just notice..
  
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Re: To "old" to learn the Open Games with Black?
Reply #39 - 10/25/18 at 00:00:32
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ReneDescartes wrote on 10/24/18 at 23:09:44:
I just got the Bologan. I'd be curious to know the problematic line(s) in the main Two Knights' if you remember.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Bd3 and now Bologan only covers 8...Ng4 where Black seems to have problems.
Lokander, Ntirlis, and Johnsen all recommend 8...Nd5 which is still fine for Black, but Bologan does not cover that one.
  

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Re: To "old" to learn the Open Games with Black?
Reply #38 - 10/24/18 at 23:09:44
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Gorath wrote on 08/16/18 at 01:01:05:
TD wrote on 08/15/18 at 07:36:19:
I bought the books second hand. I have not enough money to buy more (new) books, alas. If I would buy one new book, which one should that be, you think? Ntirlis, Johnsen, Emms?


...I really like Bologan's non-RL book, but I believe it's already outdated in ... the 2N main variation chapters.
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I just got the Bologan. I'd be curious to know the problematic line(s) in the main Two Knights' if you remember.
  
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Reply #37 - 09/03/18 at 18:26:20
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Monocle wrote on 09/03/18 at 16:50:05:
Against the Evans, 4... Bxb4 5.c3 Be7 6.d4 Na5 7.Be2 d6 always looked reasonable and straightforward to me, although nobody ever plays the Evans so I haven't had a chance to test it.



You might run into 7. Bxf7 Kxf7 8. Nxe5. It's not as if it's any good, but these Bxf7 things can be difficult to defend against.
  
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Reply #36 - 09/03/18 at 16:50:05
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Against the Evans, 4... Bxb4 5.c3 Be7 6.d4 Na5 7.Be2 d6 always looked reasonable and straightforward to me, although nobody ever plays the Evans so I haven't had a chance to test it.
  
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Reply #35 - 08/22/18 at 01:16:29
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Playing 1 e4 e5 is an excellent book.
  
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Reply #34 - 08/22/18 at 00:26:58
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 08/21/18 at 23:23:39:
Problem with playing Ruy López is that the main lines you will not always get, White seems to play these early d3 systems to avoid the big theory.


In principle it should be easier to play against d3 systems as there are no direct threats. The problem is how to respond when White plays d3-d4. I suspect as Black you need to know a wide range of "systems", so as to be able to select the most promising response. Assuming you've managed to get .. c5 in before they play d4, do you play e5xd4, c5xd4 or just ignore it? If you ignore it, how strong is d4-d5? Even if you just play e5xd4 or c5xd4, are you trying to provoke d4-d5?
  
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Re: To "old" to learn the Open Games with Black?
Reply #33 - 08/21/18 at 23:23:39
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I am similar to you I never really played 1...e5 as Black in most of my history, however I am trying to get to IM.

Petrov is a good choice if you want to avoid all of the Ruy López and all the derivatives that White can play. Problem with playing Ruy López is that the main lines you will not always get, White seems to play these early d3 systems to avoid the big theory.

Cheque out the Petrov book by Cohen and the Move by Move one to get a foundation on the opening. It can lead to both solid and sharp play, and it seems that it is regaining more popularity in Elite now.
  
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Reply #32 - 08/21/18 at 21:05:24
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TD wrote on 08/21/18 at 20:12:01:
ErictheRed wrote on 08/21/18 at 19:59:11:
I would recommend Philidor's or the Petrov's to start with.

Both are not to my taste. As mentioned earlier, I have decided against making 1...e5 a part of my repertoire. But I like the Spanish for both White and Black, so I am going to look at (old) games (again), because it's an important part of chess history.


Well, they're both much more conducive to a slow buildup than the Two Knights or Evans or Scotch, and the Philidor will still give you a good taste of chess history.  There are a lot of Philidor and Philidor-like positions in My System, for instance. 

But in any case if you know what your taste is, just play that.  I assume that at this point in life you aren't trying to become an IM, so just try to play whatever you want and not worry about whether there's too much theory or whether you're too old or whatever.  Just give it a try for a while and see how it goes.
  
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Re: To "old" to learn the Open Games with Black?
Reply #31 - 08/21/18 at 20:12:01
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ErictheRed wrote on 08/21/18 at 19:59:11:
I would recommend Philidor's or the Petrov's to start with.

Both are not to my taste. As mentioned earlier, I have decided against making 1...e5 a part of my repertoire. But I like the Spanish for both White and Black, so I am going to look at (old) games (again), because it's an important part of chess history.
  
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Re: To "old" to learn the Open Games with Black?
Reply #30 - 08/21/18 at 20:07:56
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doefmat wrote on 08/21/18 at 19:31:25:
Have you considered the Petroff?

Not really.
  
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Re: To "old" to learn the Open Games with Black?
Reply #29 - 08/21/18 at 19:59:11
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I would recommend Philidor's or the Petrov's to start with.
  
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Re: To "old" to learn the Open Games with Black?
Reply #28 - 08/21/18 at 19:31:25
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Have you considered the Petroff? Maybe not 'real' open game but it is an easy to learn opening, you cut down some theory (Spanish, Italian, Scotch etc) and still get to play classical e4 e5 lines like the Four Knights, some gambits etc.
  

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Re: To "old" to learn the Open Games with Black?
Reply #27 - 08/17/18 at 08:02:53
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LeeRoth wrote on 08/16/18 at 18:11:11:
Declined is fine — Carlsen’s done it in blitz/bullet —


You need to know why you don't lose a pawn for nothing in the Evans declined though.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bb6 5. b5 Na5 6. Nxe5 and now the correct move is 6. .. Nh6 followed by 7. d4 d6 8. Bxh6 dxe5.

It's been known since the days of Steinitz which is perhaps why 5. b5 isn't played very much. I've added it to the list of things to know if you play 1.e4 e5.
  
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