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Re: QI - 12.h4!!N
Reply #2 - 11/01/18 at 19:20:27
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Hi Inn2 and thanks for your answer:)

I checked the game Sasikiran - Brynell (2011), where White played the odd or very deep 7.Re1.
Since the game Garry Kasparov vs Ruslan Ponomariov
Linares (2003), Linares ESP, rd 5, Feb-27
Bf4Nxc312.bxc3Na613.e4dxe414.Nd2g5
I see no reason to avoid the line with ...Ne4 7.Bd2 and to go for Re1 line, but my theory knowledge is outdated and full of holes, so maybe there are some significant improvements for Black. Actually a reason to buy one of the recent QID books, but I know me, the book will end in my library - unread.
  

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Re: QI - 12.h4!!N
Reply #1 - 10/30/18 at 11:59:41
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Hi gewgaw, thanks for the interesting post. Some time ago I had noticed the h4 idea has been played by some 2600s (see Sasikiran - Brynell 2011 and Kovalyov, Anton - Fluvia Poyatos, Joan 2012 in the databases), although I wonder if they came up with the move over the board like you did, rather than prepared at home..

Most GMs seem to get into these structures with Re1 included e.g. Queens Indian 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Be7 6. 0-0 0-0 7. Re1 d5 or the Anti-Queens Indian 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Be7 6. 0-0 0-0 7. Re1 d5 8. cd5 ed5 9. d4 (see Khalifman's Opening for White according to Kramnik and Mikhalevski's Beating Minor Openings). As Re1 is not so useful this could be a better version for Black - see many games by 2700 GM Kryvoruchko.  The isolated pawn structures after dxc5 Nxc5 are indeed not so straightforward to handle as black is so active.

In the move order you gave, the established theory as I understand is that this is simply an inferior Queens indian... although of recent sources only Bologan's Catalan book and DVD gave any decent coverage (as i recall he recommends Ne5 immediately before exchanging on d5, followed by Qa4 and/or Bg5xf6 in some lines - all somewhat dependent on move-by-move tactics).
  
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QI - 12.h4!!N
10/22/18 at 21:07:42
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Hi there,

last Sunday I played a game I wanna share with you:)
First the notation:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 d5 4.c4 Be7 5.Bg2 0-0 6.0-0 b6 7.cd5 ed5 8.Nc3 Bb7 9.Bf4 Na6 10.Rc1 c5 11.Ne5 Ne4 12.h4 Bf6 13.e3 Be5 14.Be5 Nc3 15.Rc3 Rc8 16.Bh3 Rc6 17.Qa4 c4 18.b3 f6 19.Bf4 g5 20.hg5 fg5 21.Be5 Rh6 22.Bg2 cb3 23.Qb3 Rf7 24.Rfc1 Rd7 25.Qb5 Qe7 26.Rc8 Kf7 27.Rh8 Rd8 28.Rd8 Qd8 29.Bf3 Re6 30.Bg4 Re7 31.Qd3 Qg8 32.Qf5 Ke8 33.Rc8 Bc8 34.Qc8 Kf7 35.Bh5 1-0

My questions:
6. ...b6: I played the catalan many times, but this is my first game against 6. ...b6 and I wonder, if this is a good way to transfer the game from Catalan to Queen's Indian?

11. ...Ne4: I wasn't really familiar with this position, maybe I saw this position before, but this must be ages ago. I thought about 40 minutes, surprisingly - for me at least - this position is very difficult to handle, nothing is really obvious, Xd4 is somewhat weak and so the position of Ne5 and Bf4, which can be undermined with Re8, Bf6, g5. Somehow Black seems to have the easier game, ideas like c5-c4 comes to mind, if I take on c5 the Na6 comes into play and can go to e6 eventually, after 12. Ne4 de4 13.dc5 Nc5 14. Qc2 I wasn't so sure about my chances and thought this sequence would release too much tension.

So I came up with:
12.h4 to keep the tension and to restrict g7g5. At home I was very surprised, many moves where played in this position, but not my move and if you give stockfish 9 some time, my move appears in the top 3.

12. ...Bf6 - a normal move, but stockfish doesn't like it, he gives moves like 12 ...Qe8 or 12. ...Nc3 and I have a hard time to understand this position.

13. ...Be5 - I was very surprised to see this move and for the first time I was optimistic about the game.

17. ...c4 Black has a difficult position and was running out ideas, 18.b3 is the thematic move

18. ...f6 and 19. ...g5: trying to get some counterplay, but it didn't work and I won the game quite convincingly.

Which recent book does cover this variation?
Which reputation has Black's line?
What's your thoughts about my 12.h4?
How would you play against 6. ...b6?
Who can explain the position after 10. ...c5?

Thanks in advance and hopefully my game wasn't too bad.
  

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