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Re: C12: MacCutcheon
Reply #42 - 12/02/11 at 13:06:47
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Looks like the Mac will be covered in the new book :

http://www.amazon.com/Modern-French-Complete-Guide-Black/dp/9056913999
  
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Re: MacCutcheon
Reply #41 - 11/29/11 at 21:35:53
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Klick wrote on 12/17/04 at 08:30:32:
It is interesting to read that I find myself in much the same situation as HgMan. Nice to know that there are others out there...

Among others Leko and Christopher Lutz. However, he lost 2 significant games against these two very players in 2002. For those of you who understand German, Stefan Kindermann has commented the games at http://www.chessgate.de/training/games/02training_eroeffnung_12.htm . It makes very interesting reading. If you follow the lines and have a look at the suggestion Kindermann gives for black at move 18...Qb6!? you might after a while understand that the position is quite good for black.




Does anyone have this game annotated by Kindermann? The link doesn't seem to be valid now (7 years later).   Sad
  
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Reply #40 - 02/18/05 at 03:59:09
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Anything Ivanchuk plays is usually theoretically important. He beat Volkov yesterday at Aeroflot. What do the experts here think of this game?

[Event "Aeroflot Open"]
[Site "Moscow RUS"]
[Date "2005.02.17"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Ivanchuk,V"]
[Black "Volkov,S1"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2711"]
[BlackElo "2612"]
[EventDate "2005.02.15"]
[ECO "C12"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. Nge2 dxe4 6. a3 Be7 7. Bxf6 Bxf6
8. Nxe4 Bd7 9. g3 Bc6 10. Bg2 Bxe4 11. Bxe4 c6 12. c3 Nd7 13. Qc2 Qb6 14.
O-O g6 15. Rad1 Bg7 16. h4 Nf6 17. Bf3 h6 18. Nf4 g5 19. hxg5 hxg5 20. Nd3
Nd7 21. b4 Qc7 22. Rfe1 Bf6 23. b5 cxb5 24. d5 O-O-O 25. dxe6 fxe6 26. Rxe6
Bd4 27. Kg2 g4 28. Bxg4 Kb8 29. Nb4 Ne5 30. Rxd4 Rxd4 31. cxd4 Nxg4 32.
Qxc7+ Kxc7 33. Rg6 Nh6 34. Rg7+ Kb6 35. g4 a5 36. Nd5+ Kc6 37. Ne7+ Kc7 38.
g5 Ng4 39. Kg3 Rh2 40. Nf5+ Kc6 41. Ne3 b4 42. axb4 axb4 43. d5+ Kb6 44. d6
b3 45. d7 b2 46. Nc4+ Kc6 47. Nxb2 1-0
  
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Re: MacCutcheon
Reply #39 - 02/08/05 at 20:59:11
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I do not completly agree. Trading off the white coloured bishops gives Black some prospects of a favourable ending with a weak pawn on d4. But I admit, that it is hard to reach that goal. From a dynamic point of view, the manoeuvre to h5 is indeed preferable. But is this possible in the MacCutcheon too?
  
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Re: MacCutcheon
Reply #38 - 02/08/05 at 18:37:13
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Players who play those early ...b6 lines are missing out on the point of black's main freeing move in so many french positions.  ...f6 often gives the light bishop many active opportunities both after another freeing move f5 and after the transfer c8-d7-e8-g6 with devastating effects quite often.  It's black's light squared bishop that often gives him winning chances if he can improve it, trading it off is an attempt at equality, not victory.
  
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Re: MacCutcheon
Reply #37 - 02/05/05 at 15:04:20
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Well, I usually don't mind the light-squared bishop in Black's position in the Mac, so I was curious to see Psakhis thinking that 9 ... b6!? was worthwhile.  I just don't see its value.

Nevertheless, Gurevich has had some success with the early b6!? in the Winawer: 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 e5 b6.
  
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Re: MacCutcheon
Reply #36 - 02/05/05 at 12:40:35
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I wonder if anyone has any practical experience with the following line in the 6 Bd2 MacCutcheon?

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 Bg5 Bb4 5 e5 h6 6 Bd2 Bxc3 7 bxc3 Ne4 8 Qg4 Kf8 9 h4 b6!? with the idea of getting rid of Black's bad bishop.

Psakhis claims this move deserves further testing, giving: 10 Bd3 Nxd2 11 Kxd2 Ba6 12 Rh3 Bxd3 13 Rxd3 Nc6 14 Rf3 Qd7.

I must admit I'm not sold.  After 11 ... Ba6, my database gives five games, all of them White wins.  Given that the cutting edge (?!) of Mac theory retreats the light-squared bishop to f1 and out of the attack after Black pushes c4, doesn't Black just wind up with one less kingside defender?

The position just looks awful.  Am I missing something, or has Psakhis missed the boat?


I am always suspicious of these "early" ...b6 lines in the French (such as the Winawer line 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 b6 or 4...Qd7 followed by ...b6) for several reasons. First, if you play an opening such as the French or Queen's Gambit Declined, you  should be prepared to accept the fact that your light-squared bishop may have to wait a while before it plays an active role in the game. If the bad bishop bothers you so much that early in the game, switch to a Caro-Kann!!  Grin In addition, Black "wastes" two vital tempi in trading off the bishop (b6+Ba6) which often gives white two extra moves during which white can develop his pieces, consolidate his position, or prepare a kingside assault.
  
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Re: MacCutcheon
Reply #35 - 01/29/05 at 23:39:51
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It's funny.  Everyone always laments Black's passive light-squared bishop in the French, but I rarely can find effective ways to exchange it, and when I do, I miss it!   Undecided

Here are a series of games in this line:

[Site "Bielorussia"]
[Date "1963.??.??"]
[White "Rubenchik,A"]
[Black "Goldenov,Boris Petrovich"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Ne4 8.Qg4 Kf8 9.h4 b6 10.Bd3 Nxd2 11.Kxd2Ba6 12.Ne2 Bxd3 13.cxd3 Nd7 14.f4 h5 15.Qf3 g6 16.g4 Ke7 17.f5 hxg4 18.f6+ Ke8 19.Qxg4 Nf8 20.Nf4 c5 21.h5 gxh5 22.Qg7 Rh7 23.Rxh5 Rxh5 24.Nxh5 cxd4 25.cxd4 b5 26.Qg8 Qa5+ 27.Ke3 Qc3 28.Ng7+ Kd7 29.Qxf7+ Kc6 30.Nxe6 Kb6 31.Nc5 Rb8 32.Qxd5  1-0

[Site "Holguin"]
[Date "1989.05.22"]
[White "Sariego,Wilfredo"]
[Black "Borges Mateos,Juan"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Ne4 8.Qg4 Kf8 9.h4 b6 10.Bd3 Nxd2 11.Kxd2 Ba6 12.Rh3 Bxd3 13.Rxd3 Nc6 14.Rf3 Qd7 15.Ne2 Ne7 16.Nf4 Nf5 17.Nh5 Rg8 18.Ng3 Ne7 19.Qh5 Nc6 20.Ne2 Ke8 21.Nf4 Nd8 22.g4 Qe7 23.Rg1 Kd7 24.g5 g6 25.Qxh6 Nc6 26.h5 Rh8 27.Qg7 Rag8 28.Qf6 gxh5 29.g6 fxg6 30.Nxg6 Qe8 31.Rg5 Qd8 32.Qf7+ Kc8 33.Qxe6+ Kb7 34.Rf6 Na5 35.Nxh8 Rxg5 36.Nf7 Qg8 37.Qxd5+ Kb8 38.Qd8+  1-0

[Site "France"]
[Date "1993.??.??"]
[White "Ballester,A"]
[Black "Seydoux,Harry"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Ne4 8.Qg4 Kf8 9.h4 b6 10.Bd3 Nxd2 11.Kxd2 Ba6 12.Bxa6 Nxa6 13.Rh3 c5 14.Rf3 Qe7 15.Nh3 Kg8 16.Rg3 Rh7 17.Rb1 Rc8 18.Nf4 Nc7 19.a4 Qd7 20.dxc5 bxc5 21.Rb7 Qc6 22.Rxa7 Qb6 23.Nh5 Kh8 24.Qf4 Qxa7 25.Qxf7 Rg8 26.Nf4  1-0

[Site "IECC email"]
[Date "2000.??.??"]
[White "Vujanovic,Aleksandar"]
[Black "Kamaluddin,Yusof"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Ne4 8.Qg4 Kf8 9.h4 b6 10.Bd3 Nxd2 11.Kxd2 Ba6 12.Rh3 Bxd3 13.Rxd3 Nd7 14.Rf3 Qe7 15.Nh3 Kg8 16.Nf4 Rh7
17.Nh5 Qa3 18.Rh1 c5 19.Rhh3 g6 20.Rxf7 Kxf7 21.Rf3+ Ke7 22.Qxg6 Nf8 23.Qg8 cxd4 24.Nf6 dxc3+ 25.Rxc3 Qb4 26.Nxh7 Qd4+ 27.Kc1 Qxe5 28.Re3 Qa1+ 29.Kd2 Qd4+ 30.Ke1 Qa1+ 31.Ke2 Rc8 32.Kf3 Kd6 33.Kg3  1-0

[Site "Mondariz"]
[Date "2002.12.15"]
[White "Serra Olives,Tomas"]
[Black "Borges Mateos,Juan"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Ne4 8.Qg4 Kf8 9.Bd3 Nxd2 10.Kxd2 b6 11.h4 Ba6 12.Rh3 Bxd3 13.Rxd3 Nc6 14.Rf3 Qd7 15.Ne2 Ne7 16.Qf4 Ng6 17.Qg4 Kg8 18.Ng3 Qe7 19.Rh1 c5 20.Nh5 cxd4 21.cxd4 Qb4+ 22.Kc1 Rh7 23.Nf6+ gxf6 24.h5 f5 25.Qg3 Kg7 26.hxg6 fxg6 27.Qh4 Qf8 28.Rc3 g5 29.Rc7+ Kg8 30.Qxg5+ hxg5 31.Rcxh7 Qa3+ 32.Kd2 Rf8 33.Rh8+ Kf7 34.R8h7+ Ke8 35.Rb7 Qa5+ 36.Kc1 Qc3 37.Rhh7 Qa1+ 38.Kd2 Qxd4+ 39.Kc1 Qxe5 40.Rxa7 Qb8
41.Kb1 Qxa7 42.Rxa7 Rf7 43.Ra8+ Ke7 44.Rb8 Kd6 45.Rxb6+ Ke5 46.Kb2 Rh7 47.a4 g4 48.g3 Rh2 49.a5 Rxf2 50.a6 f4 51.a7 fxg3 52.a8=Q g2 53.Qb8+ Kd4 54.Rb4+Ke3 55.Qg3+ Ke2 56.Qxg4+ Ke1 57.Kc3 Re2 1-0
  
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Re: MacCutcheon
Reply #34 - 01/29/05 at 22:05:49
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In general I like the idea of exchanging the bishops of the white squares in the French. But the danger is, that Black lags behind in development.
This line seems to be an example, exactly because of the king on f8 - which I do not like too much anyway, I prefer 8...g6. Alas I do know only one game, Sariego-Borges 1989, in which Black suffered from passive rooks.
  
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Reply #33 - 01/29/05 at 11:19:58
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I wonder if anyone has any practical experience with the following line in the 6 Bd2 MacCutcheon?

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 Bg5 Bb4 5 e5 h6 6 Bd2 Bxc3 7 bxc3 Ne4 8 Qg4 Kf8 9 h4 b6!? with the idea of getting rid of Black's bad bishop.

Psakhis claims this move deserves further testing, giving: 10 Bd3 Nxd2 11 Kxd2 Ba6 12 Rh3 Bxd3 13 Rxd3 Nc6 14 Rf3 Qd7.

I must admit I'm not sold.  After 11 ... Ba6, my database gives five games, all of them White wins.  Given that the cutting edge (?!) of Mac theory retreats the light-squared bishop to f1 and out of the attack after Black pushes c4, doesn't Black just wind up with one less kingside defender?

The position just looks awful.  Am I missing something, or has Psakhis missed the boat?
  
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Reply #32 - 01/20/05 at 16:26:09
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This is an interesting move.   Shocked

However, at first glance, it appears strange.  White's dark-squared bishop looks misplaced on g3, pointing straight into the back of its own pawn chain.  The advantage of the more standard retreats (e3,d2,c1) is that the bishop can still contribute to a kingside attack.  On g3, it just looks misplaced, and hinders the development of White's knight and rook.  I'm sure it has some surprise value, but careful play from Black should be able to punish 6 Bh4!?
  
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Re: MacCutcheon
Reply #31 - 01/20/05 at 15:22:56
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Hi all,

this day i finally received my copy of Psakhis book. After a quick look i found the following remark in the MacCutcheon: "6. Bh4!? a rare move , but by no means a bad one; I feel it is greatly underestimated".

Psakhis mainline is: 6...g5 7. Bg3 Ne4 8.Nge2 c5 (8...f5 is suggested as an alternative) 9. a3 Bxc3+ 10. Nxc3 Qa5 11. Qd3! Nc6 12 dxc5 Bd7 13 0-0-0 Nxc3 14 Qxc3 Qxc3 15 bxc3 Rc8 16 h4! Rg8 17 hxg5 hxg5 18 f3 and: "its obvious by now that white is the only one who can play for a win (Landa-Minasian, Linares Open 1999)

Has anyone experiences with this move? Is it a playable alternative?

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Reply #30 - 01/16/05 at 12:18:25
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How is Psakhis' coverage of 6. Be3?

I am not very happy with Pedersen's coverage here. He is simply too optimistic for Black! And there have been many new developments over the past few years.


Psakhis is less overly optimistic about Black's position in these lines than Pedersen.  However, in the intriguing line that we've discussed on the other thread in the Kg8 line (followed by White responding to f5 with Qh5), Psakhis only gives the Goloschapov-Volkov game and doesn't offer any other variations.  While Psakhis gives what is arguably the latest game in this line, he offers no other analysis.  In fairness, it's a sideline that is interesting to us because of our discussion of it, but it's throw-away sidelines like this that disappoint me and leave me thinking that the book's a big database dump without too much original analysis.  A bit unfair; the book has a fair bit to recommend itself, but I was sorry not to see some original analysis here.  Looks like the forum may be the best bet still (though NICYB 72 does offer some good material from Glek).
  
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Reply #29 - 01/03/05 at 07:46:48
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No.  Simply left it at the office (slow last week before the Christmas break) and forgot to bring it home with me.  And to make matters worse, I now have to leave town for a week...
  
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Reply #28 - 01/02/05 at 23:32:14
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Having a holiday, that you cannot take your own sample of Psachis' book?
  
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