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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #10 - 07/12/06 at 12:19:00
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Playing 4 c3 a la Kaufman also merits attention when many black players have floundered into a Lopez-type position. The only problem is that 4...Nf6 5 Qe2 a6 6 Ba4 c4!? is quite reasonable for Black, albeit also acceptable enough for White, so long as he doesn't go pawn grabbing.
  
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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #9 - 07/12/06 at 08:28:35
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personally I think 4.d4 is a mistake - not objectively, but psychologically: White plays 3.Bb5+ to avoid the main line open sicilians and it seems a bit daft to give Black an open sicilian after all a move later

and there are plenty of other interesting ideas, e.g. 4.0-0, intending 5.Re1 (and c3, d4), or if 4...a6 (Suba) 5.Bd3 with a sort of Kopec system (planning c3, Bc2, d4 again). White has wasted a tempo Bb5-d3, but the black knight at d7 is on the wrong square.

I've also scored very heavily with 4.a4!?, with the little idea of answering ...a6 with the mini-bind a4-a5 (after doing something about the bishop of course)

Black has equality, but does s/he know what to do with it? Generally I find Black would much rather follow 20 moves of theory into their pet line against the most testing grandmaster moves from White, than be given theoretical equality at move 3 and have to think for themselves.
  

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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #8 - 03/02/06 at 15:00:07
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Joining in a little late, but BladezII is correct IMHO. Indeed following Rublevsky's lead appears best, although Black doesn't have to go ...e5; ...a6 and then ..Bxd7!? (but not ...Nxd7 a  la Gallagher) is also a reasonable choice these days.
  
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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #7 - 02/22/06 at 02:09:54
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MNb wrote on 02/21/06 at 02:11:48:


Boersma also gives 7...g6 8.Bg5 followed by 9.Nd5.
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The only time i played OTB the line with 7..g6  i was faced with 8.Bg5 Bg7 9.Nd5 when i played 9..Nf6!? 10.Nxf6 exf6 followed by an eventuall ...f5 with the two bishops.I wanted to play original chess  Cool because my opponent knew  a lot of theory, so i came up with this idea and i won pretty easily at the end.
  
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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #6 - 02/21/06 at 02:11:48
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Back to my good old sources, just as a starting point for a debate:
5...a6 6.Bxd7 Nxd7 (Qxd7 7.dxc5 +=) 7.o-o e6 8.d5!? (8.dxc5 and 8.Bg5 are also possible) e5 9.a4 Be7 9.Nd2 o-o 11.Nc4 Nb6 Hutchins-Pytel, Olympiad 1974. Euwe/Vreeken (1982) recommend 12.Ne3 and 13.a5 +=.
Boersma recommends 8.dxc5 Nxc5 (dxc5 9.Bg5) 9.Bf4 and analyses:
9...Be7 10.b4 Bf6 11.bxc5 Bxc3 12.Bxd6 Bxa1 13.Qxa1 with beautiful compensation.
9...b5 10.b4 Nb7 11.a4 with an advantage, both on the queen's wing and in the centre.
9...Qc7 10.Qd4 (prepares Rad1) e5 11.Nd5 Qd8 12.Nxe5 Ne6 13.Qc3 dxe5 14.Bxe5 with a strong attack.

Boersma also gives 7...g6 8.Bg5 followed by 9.Nd5.
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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #5 - 02/20/06 at 16:09:31
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What about 5..a6 6.Bxd7 Nxd7 followed by 7..e6 or even 7..g6 ?
  
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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #4 - 02/20/06 at 02:45:04
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Interesting. This is an extra reason for me, to investigate White's chances in the Bb5 lines. I already had figured out to play 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.b3, so I am very pleased.
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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #3 - 02/19/06 at 01:26:42
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MNB,

I am afraid things have changed since then.  Allow me to explain--it's all in the move order,

6...       g6!?

White is advised to use his already superior development with

7.Bg5 ! (GM Glek)  Bg7
8.0-0     0-0
9.e5 !   here is the correct time

This seems to be promising White better chances.

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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #2 - 02/18/06 at 21:18:01
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That is why IM Paul Boersma in his old book on the Bb5 system (1981) gives 6...g6!? 7.e5 dxe5 8.Nxe5 Bg7 with about equality.
Has this verdict to be changed?
  

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Re: Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
Reply #1 - 02/17/06 at 22:49:29
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1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bb5+ Nd7 4. d4 Ngf6 5. O-O cxd4
6. Qxd4 e5 7. Qd3 h6 8. c4 Be7 9. Nc3 O-O 10. Bxd7 Bxd7 
11. Rd1 (Rublevsky) a6 12. a4 Qc7 13. a5 Rfc8 14. b3  (with idea of Ba3 now or later)

White seems to keep a nice edge in this poisition.  All of white's pieces will be placed well and it is not easy to see where Black and how black will be able to break free of the bind.


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Moscow 3. Bb5+ Nd7
01/26/06 at 02:15:29
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What's the state of theory here?  The last time this was covered on Chesspub was many years ago.. Jon if you are reading this an update will be much appreciated! 

3. Bb5+ Nd7 4. d4 Ngf6 5. Nc3 cxd4 6. Qxd4 e5 7. Qd3 h6 doesn't look much worse for Black than a regular 6. Be2 e5 Najdorf... I thought it was this state of affairs that the new main line became 5. 0-0! cxd4 (5... Nxe4 is risky) 6. Qxd4 e5 7. Qd3 h6 8. c4! But still this looks solid for Black, though not exciting, and my question is: how should White make progress?
  
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