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Markovich God Member Offline Doh! Can I take that back? Posts: 4376 Columbus, Ohio	Re: Saemisch Variation Reply #15 - 07/03/08 at 16:06:32 Yes, after 12.d5.
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Re: Saemisch Variation
Reply #16 - 08/28/08 at 21:17:51

What about this line: 1. d4 nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bc c5
6. e3 Nc6 7. bd3 0-0 8. g4!?

White "Schaffer,Hendrik"
Black "Seifert,Volker"
1.d4 e6 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 c5 5.Bd3 0-0 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 Nc6
8.g4 d5 9.g5 Ne8 10.Nf3 dxc4 11.Bxc4 e5 12.dxe5 Qe7 13.Qc2 Bg4 14.Be2
Rd8 15.h4 b6 16.c4 Nxe5 17.Nxe5 Qxe5 18.Bb2 Qe6 19.Bd3 Rxd3 20.Qxd3
Bh5 21.Rg1 Qc6 22.Be5 Nc7 23.Bxc7 Qxc7 24.Rg3 Rd8 25.Qe4 Bg6 26.Qf4
Qc6 27.e4 Bxe4 28.Rd1 Re8 29.Re3 Bc2 30.Rd5 g6 31.Kd2 Bf5 32.h5 Rf8
33.h6 Qa4 34.Qe5 Qc2+ 35.Ke1 f6 36.Qe7 Qc1+ 37.Rd1 1-0

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Re: Saemisch Variation
Reply #17 - 08/29/08 at 04:19:19

CheckMate wrote on 08/28/08 at 21:17:51:

What about this line: 1. d4 nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bc c5 6. e3 Nc6 7. bd3 0-0 8. g4!?

White "Schaffer,Hendrik"
Black "Seifert,Volker"
1.d4 e6 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 c5 5.Bd3 0-0 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 Nc6 8.g4 d5 9.g5 Ne8 10.Nf3 dxc4 11.Bxc4 e5 12.dxe5 Qe7 13.Qc2 Bg4 14.Be2 Rd8 15.h4 b6 16.c4 Nxe5 17.Nxe5 Qxe5 18.Bb2 Qe6 19.Bd3 Rxd3 20.Qxd3 Bh5 21.Rg1 Qc6 22.Be5 Nc7 23.Bxc7 Qxc7 24.Rg3 Rd8 25.Qe4 Bg6 26.Qf4 Qc6 27.e4 Bxe4 28.Rd1 Re8 29.Re3 Bc2 30.Rd5 g6 31.Kd2 Bf5 32.h5 Rf8 33.h6 Qa4 34.Qe5 Qc2+ 35.Ke1 f6 36.Qe7 Qc1+ 37.Rd1 1-0

After 9.g5, Black should play 9..Ne4.

The only other game I know in this line is Hernando Rodrigo-Levin, 2005, where White tried 9.cxd5 exd5 10.f3 Ne8 11.Ne2 instead. GM Emms now says 11..f5! If you are a subscriber, you can check out the game, with his annotations, in the archive. Wink

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Re: Saemisch Variation
Reply #18 - 08/29/08 at 05:05:00

CheckMate wrote on 08/28/08 at 21:17:51:

What about this line: 1. d4 nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bc c5
6. e3 Nc6 7. bd3 0-0 8. g4!?

White "Schaffer,Hendrik"
Black "Seifert,Volker"
1.d4 e6 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 c5 5.Bd3 0-0 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 Nc6
8.g4 d5 9.g5 Ne8 10.Nf3 dxc4 11.Bxc4 e5 12.dxe5 Qe7 13.Qc2 Bg4 14.Be2
Rd8 15.h4 b6 16.c4 Nxe5 17.Nxe5 Qxe5 18.Bb2 Qe6 19.Bd3 Rxd3 20.Qxd3
Bh5 21.Rg1 Qc6 22.Be5 Nc7 23.Bxc7 Qxc7 24.Rg3 Rd8 25.Qe4 Bg6 26.Qf4
Qc6 27.e4 Bxe4 28.Rd1 Re8 29.Re3 Bc2 30.Rd5 g6 31.Kd2 Bf5 32.h5 Rf8
33.h6 Qa4 34.Qe5 Qc2+ 35.Ke1 f6 36.Qe7 Qc1+ 37.Rd1 1-0

8...d5 looks good for Black. In the position after Black's 7...Nc6, invariably I have played 8.Ne2. 8.g4 smells bad to me.

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Re: Saemisch Variation
Reply #19 - 03/01/10 at 22:45:42

A game with some theoretical relevance:

MNb - Kostanjšek, em WS/H/187 ICCF

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 c5 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 Nc6 8.Ne2 b6 9.e4 Ne8 10.O-O Ba6 11.f4 f5 12.Ng3 g6 13.Be3 cxd4 14.Bxd4 Rc8 15.exf5 gxf5 16.Bf2 Na5 17.c5 Bxd3 18.Qxd3 bxc5 19.Nh5 d5 20.Rfe1 Rc6 21.Rab1 Rf7 22.Re3 Kf8 23.Rbe1 Qc8 24.Qe2 Nf6 25.Nxf6 Rxf6 26.Qh5 Qc7 27.Rh3 Nc4 28.Qh4 Rg6 29.Qxh7 Qxh7 30.Rxh7 Rg7 31.Rh6 Kf7 32.a4 Nd2 33.Rd1 Ne4 34.Rxd5 Rb6 ½-½

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vasilicus YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 10	Re: Saemisch Variation Reply #20 - 03/06/10 at 04:45:39 Are there any lines in the Saemisch that can be avoided via the 4. f3 move order or does playing 4. f3 simply require the white player to learn more theory?
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Re: Saemisch Variation
Reply #21 - 03/07/10 at 17:59:17

vasilicus wrote on 03/06/10 at 04:45:39:

Are there any lines in the Saemisch that can be avoided via the 4. f3 move order or does playing 4. f3 simply require the white player to learn more theory?

Either way Black has options not available the other way. I have a hunch that Black's systems with an early ...b6 are the main reason for the very strong modern preference for 4.f3 (as opposed to the other, anyway). The main reason for preferring 4.a3 is if you plan to play e2-e3 against Black's main line, which is ...c5, ...Nc6, ...O-O in some order. Black's stock in that line has risen, however. If White intends instead and eventual f2-f3, e2-e4 against that, then avoiding the ...b6 ideas is perhaps a good reason for playing f3 on already on the fourth move.

You wind up having to know a more theory with 4.f3, however, since Black has his 5...Be7 and 5...Bd6 ideas after 4...d5 5.a3, and he further has 4...c5, which creates situations quite unlike those that arise form 4.a3.

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Daniel Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 69 Washington, DC Gender:	Re: Saemisch Variation Reply #22 - 03/07/10 at 19:06:59 I remember Yusupov once wrote that the most accurate move order for white is actually 4. e3 0-0 5. Bd3 c5 6. a3
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