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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #45 - 03/15/09 at 13:46:33
 
wcywing wrote on 01/20/09 at 18:18:18:
has any one seen Tiviakov's dvd on the alapin?  is it any good?  



Yes I have it.  Its a very good one. Tiviakov know what he is talking about and I also heard his Maroczy video is very good too.

Alapin is a good choice of course. As Collins says in his book:

"Many claims c3-sicilian doesnt guarantee an advantage...Good! But the open sicilian does not guarantee an advantage either."

I think it is a practical weapon where white can play on his territory most of the time. And its a good psycological weapons also. We sicilian players just have to be arnest : "WE HATE IT!!" I dont play it myself and never will probably because it is something that belongs to my "enemies".I prefer the Bb5 sicilian.


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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #46 - 07/16/09 at 22:10:05
 
Alapin is very attractive in the sense that one can save a lot of time and energy (just imagine how much theory you have to learn to meet Najdorf or Dragon alone). But according to Kasparov and Sveshnikov in "Revolution in the 70s" White has problems in the 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 line. Because of this Sveshnikov considers 2.Nf3 as better now.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #47 - 07/16/09 at 23:18:52
 
F22 wrote on 07/16/09 at 22:10:05:
Alapin is very attractive in the sense that one can save a lot of time and energy (just imagine how much theory you have to learn to meet Najdorf or Dragon alone). But according to Kasparov and Sveshnikov in "Revolution in the 70s" White has problems in the 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 line. Because of this Sveshnikov considers 2.Nf3 as better now.


I'm not sure why 2.Nf3 followed by 3.c3 would be more accurate than 2.c3; Black can play 2...Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 or 2...e6 3.c3 Nf6 to transpose to variations more commonly reached via. 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nf3 Nc6/e6.

For what it's worth, the 2...d5 variation was also = with best play the last time I checked the theory.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #48 - 07/17/09 at 00:07:23
 
TN wrote on 07/16/09 at 23:18:52:
I'm not sure why 2.Nf3 followed by 3.c3 would be more accurate than 2.c3; Black can play 2...Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 or 2...e6 3.c3 Nf6 to transpose to variations more commonly reached via. 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nf3 Nc6/e6.

For what it's worth, the 2...d5 variation was also = with best play the last time I checked the theory.


Right now after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Sveshnikov advocates 3.d4 after any move except 2...Nc6. After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 he thinks 3.Bb5 is best.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #49 - 07/17/09 at 03:08:51
 
As Collins said, white also doesn't get an advantage in the open Sicilian.

I like the positions in the c3 Sicilian for both colours. As somebody who primarily uses it with the white pieces I have to admit that most of the main lines are totally equal - and even the weird stuff like 2. g6, 2. - b6, 2. - e5 or 2.- Qa5 is not as bad as it seems at first glance. The good thing is that white usually gets to choose which kind of equal position is played though, because he knows more about the dozens of tricky sidelines in the c3 move order labyrinth. I consider this a psychological weapon.
The c3 Sicilian is a safe opening with relatively low risk even against a prepared and 100 points stronger opponent. And if black allows himself a small inaccuracy he can find himself in trouble surprisingly quickly.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #50 - 07/17/09 at 16:05:47
 
Gorath wrote on 07/17/09 at 03:08:51:
As Collins said, white also doesn't get an advantage in the open Sicilian.


I know the Sicilian is popular but this is a ridiculous statement to make - all of Blacks major headaches are in the open Sicilian, and even a quiet open Sicilian line with g3 or Be2 should be more threatening than the c3 Sicilian.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #51 - 07/18/09 at 04:18:24
 
GM Tiviakov seems to disagree - and proves his point, as his score after 2.c3 is 68%.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #52 - 07/20/09 at 15:07:37
 
Tiviakov had a phase of playing nothing but 2.c3 against the Sicilian with very good results, but for whatever reason now he is varying a lot against the Sicilian - sometimes open Sicilian, sometimes 2.Nc3, sometimes 3.Bb5+ and sometimes 2.c3
For me 2.c3 is a safe move, but not the real test of the Sicilian.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #53 - 09/23/09 at 10:32:54
 
What do you think of this variation for Black : 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6!? for exemple 3.d4 cxd 4.cxd d5 5.e5 and now Nh6,Bg7 or maybe h5!? to play à la Gurgenidze with Nh6 and Bg4 or Bf5.
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Reply #54 - 09/23/09 at 10:51:48
 
parisestmagique wrote on 09/23/09 at 10:32:54:
What do you think of this variation for Black : 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6!? for exemple 3.d4 cxd 4.cxd d5 5.e5 and now Nh6,Bg7 or maybe h5!? to play à la Gurgenidze with Nh6 and Bg4 or Bf5.


It's easy to learn and entirely playable, but White keeps a slight advantage in the main lines. I find Dzindzi's evaluations of equality in Chess Openings for Black Explained very optimistic.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #55 - 09/23/09 at 12:01:50
 
Can you give the line ? after 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6 i dont see how to get a plus for White.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #56 - 09/23/09 at 12:10:55
 
parisestmagique wrote on 09/23/09 at 12:01:50:
Can you give the line ? after 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6 i dont see how to get a plus for White.


3 f4.

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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #57 - 09/23/09 at 13:07:04
 
Is it Dzindzi's recommandation for White ?
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #58 - 09/23/09 at 14:05:07
 
Goodness gracious me. No. Why on earth would it be his? Mine.
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Re: Is Alapin a good choice?
Reply #59 - 09/25/09 at 00:51:54
 
I've been looking at the transpositional possibilities after 2 ...Nf6 3 e5 Nd5 (and 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 c3 Nf6 4 e5 Nd5). Heck, it's complicated! Coming back to the Sicilian as I prob. am, I'm minded to play the 2 ...Nf6 3 e5 Nd5 4 4 d4 cd 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 cd (6 Bc4 e6 7 cd d6 transposes) d6 7 Bc4 e6 8 0-0 Be7 9 Qe2 0-0 line, since it looks quite solid, can be played equally after 2 c3 and 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 c3, and I don't think White can profitably avoid it. But what are the other possible transpositions? On 5 cd I assume I can play 5 ...e6 aiming for 6 Nf3 Nc6 (6 Bc4 d6; 6 Nc3 and now which is safer, 6 ...d6 or 6 ...Nc3?).

But, already on move 4 I could try ...e6 or ...d6 in answer to 4 d4 -- where can I find theory on this? I've no idea what happens after 4 ...d6; on 4 ...e6 though I can meet 5 Nf3 with 5 ...cd (is 5 ...d6 OK too?) and 5 Bc4 with 5 ...Nc6 (are 5 ...d6 and 5 ...Nc7 reputable?). Is there (assuming Black wants to play the ...e6 line I mention) anything to gain or lose by delaying ...cxd4?


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