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Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
01/03/09 at 23:25:14
 
Hi all, I am currently doing a lot of work on antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit.

In the past respectable chess players treated this as being a load of old cobblers and did not write about it. These days they still think it is a heap of rubbish but take it more seriously.

These days lots of repertoire books are giving antidotes to the BDG. I unleashed the BDG in a tournament between Christmas and new year. Both games were against much higher rated opponents. One I blew clear out of the water. The other played one of the repertoire refutations and I eventually lost when I made a bad positional error in the middle game. I probably could have forced a draw by sacrificing a knight but wanted more (one of the seven deadly chess sins).

What I need is a list of books and authors and the given antidotes to the BDG.

So far I have

Gallagher – Beating the Anti King's Indians which gives a line of the Euwe Defence.

1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf 5.Nf3 e6 I have scored well with this line as black in correspondence fixed openings tournaments. However I have analyzed a line which leads to a position where white regains the pawn with a position I find difficult to evaluate. As always if black gets it wrong the wheels come off.

Cox - Dealing with d4 deviations which suggests the Lemberger.

1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe 3.Nc3 e5  I have found a line against one line Cox gives where white keeps an edge in a very unbalanced position.

My question is “What other books give antidotes to the BDG and what are they?
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #1 - 01/03/09 at 23:42:12
 
There is that Schiller/Watson book called The big Book of Busts or something like that. Schiller also always has advocated the Euwe Defence.

I do remember that Wahls in his book on the Scandinavion gave something against the BDG as well, but don't know anymore what exactly.

Andrew Martin here

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/110103_blackmar_dmr_gmbt.html

wrote about the Von Hennig-Milner Barry Gambit. That makes me wonder if other authors on the Caro-Kann have written on the transposition 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.f3 or 4.Bc4/5.f3.
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #2 - 01/04/09 at 04:12:10
 
MNb wrote on 01/03/09 at 23:42:12:
There is that Schiller/Watson book called The big Book of Busts or something like that. Schiller also always has advocated the Euwe Defence.

I do remember that Wahls in his book on the Scandinavion gave something against the BDG as well, but don't know anymore what exactly.

Andrew Martin here

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/110103_blackmar_dmr_gmbt.html

Thank you very much. Schiller wrote his book with John Watson and the combination worked well. I shall check out his analysis.

The analysis of Jeremy Silman scared me off the BDG for some time. There is a separate thread on this site dealing with the Alchemy variation.

1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe 3. Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf 5.Nxf3 c6 6.Bc4 Bf5 7.0-0 e6 8. Ng5

A totally untested idea which may not be totally sound but would be a shock move to play in blitz is 6.Qd3 I have been having great fun playing this against deep rybka 3









































wrote about the Von Hennig-Milner Barry Gambit. That makes me wonder if other authors on the Caro-Kann have written on the transposition 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.f3 or 4.Bc4/5.f3.

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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #3 - 01/04/09 at 04:16:54
 
Andrew Martin here

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/110103_blackmar_dmr_gmbt.html

wrote about the Von Hennig-Milner Barry Gambit. That makes me wonder if other authors on the Caro-Kann have written on the transposition 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.f3 or 4.Bc4/5.f3.

I am playing this very line in correspondence so cannot comment on this variation as I am still in the opening. I will say that considerable thought needs to be given to whether to play 4.f3 or 4.Bc4 followed by 5.f3.
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #4 - 01/04/09 at 05:51:44
 
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Gallagher – Beating the Anti King's Indians which gives a line of the Euwe Defence.

1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf 5.Nf3 e6 I have scored well with this line as black in correspondence fixed openings tournaments. However I have analyzed a line which leads to a position where white regains the pawn with a position I find difficult to evaluate. As always if black gets it wrong the wheels come off.

Facing the BDG I follow Gallagher and until now it just looked bad for White. It would be very interesting to get some of your thoughts about White's chances and - if you dont mind - some lines.
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #5 - 01/04/09 at 09:47:54
 
Matemax wrote on 01/04/09 at 05:51:44:
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Gallagher – Beating the Anti King's Indians which gives a line of the Euwe Defence.

1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf 5.Nf3 e6 I have scored well with this line as black in correspondence fixed openings tournaments. However I have analyzed a line which leads to a position where white regains the pawn with a position I find difficult to evaluate. As always if black gets it wrong the wheels come off.

Facing the BDG I follow Gallagher and until now it just looked bad for White. It would be very interesting to get some of your thoughts about White's chances and - if you dont mind - some lines.


Look carefully at Gallagher and you will find one line that he gives as being unclear. I do not wish to reveal too much of my analysis as it is a work in progress.
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #6 - 01/05/09 at 05:23:48
 
Too bad this thread did not start 1-2 months earlier; as some might already know, I am currently working on a new book about the BDG - It is nearly finished, the final first draft will probably be finished in a week.

I would have loved to see your ideas, David; but then again, I do think that I have some new ideas up my sleeve as well Wink
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #7 - 01/05/09 at 06:39:07
 
James Rizzitano in his QGA repertoire book advocates the Euwe, citing Gallagher quite a few times.


By the way, I thought "Chess you don't learn, chess you understand" was from Ljubojevic ...
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #8 - 01/05/09 at 07:31:57
 
IM Christoph Wisnewski wrote on 01/05/09 at 05:23:48:
Too bad this thread did not start 1-2 months earlier; as some might already know, I am currently working on a new book about the BDG - It is nearly finished, the final first draft will probably be finished in a week.

I would have loved to see your ideas, David; but then again, I do think that I have some new ideas up my sleeve as well Wink


That is great that you are working on a book on the BDG. I am at least twelve months away from publishing anything and I may keep my analysis secret for use in correspondence.
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #9 - 01/05/09 at 09:07:26
 
IM Christoph Wisnewski wrote on 01/05/09 at 05:23:48:
Too bad this thread did not start 1-2 months earlier; as some might already know, I am currently working on a new book about the BDG - It is nearly finished, the final first draft will probably be finished in a week.

I would have loved to see your ideas, David; but then again, I do think that I have some new ideas up my sleeve as well Wink


this might be a foolish question, do you believe that the BDG is sound?  and have you played the BDG in a serious game.  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #10 - 01/05/09 at 09:24:17
 
I have not played the BDG in a serious game yet, but this is only because tournament games I play very rarely these days. I did play the BDG in numerous blitz games on the Internet Chess Club.

Is the BDG sound? That depends on your definition of "soundness".
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #11 - 01/05/09 at 09:44:11
 
IM Christoph Wisnewski wrote on 01/05/09 at 09:24:17:
I have not played the BDG in a serious game yet, but this is only because tournament games I play very rarely these days. I did play the BDG in numerous blitz games on the Internet Chess Club.

Is the BDG sound? That depends on your definition of "soundness".


some people take ICC blitz very seriously, i don't but i think its still fun.  i define soundness as, if i play this i have a reasonable chance at winning, but not losing outright, or would you use it in a tournament game?  my best result w/the BDG is drawing an expert; my worse was losing to a 1300-1400 player.  not bad i guess, but i stopped after that.  i'm more of a e4 player.  i have used BDG against C-K and French defence with mixed results.
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Reply #12 - 01/05/09 at 10:04:37
 
I can assure you that I was very critical while writing this book. Unlike Lane (whose chapters about the Ziegler and the Lemberger are a case for the scrapheap) and Sawyer (who sometimes loves to dismiss critical lines with an uncommented, irrelevant white win in some ICC blitz game) I did "refute" a few lines so far thought to be playable.

But that doesn't mean, the BDG is refuted itself! In fact, I do think that in every Black setup White has enough play to justify his pawn sacrifice. I will not deny that Black will come close to equality (or even achieve it) in most of these lines, but at least it is dynamic (and not dull) equality.
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #13 - 01/05/09 at 10:13:42
 
IM Christoph Wisnewski wrote on 01/05/09 at 10:04:37:
I can assure you that I was very critical while writing this book. Unlike Lane (whose chapters about the Ziegler and the Lemberger are a case for the scrapheap) and Sawyer (who sometimes loves to dismiss critical lines with an uncommented, irrelevant white win in some ICC blitz game) I did "refute" a few lines so far thought to be playable.

But that doesn't mean, the BDG is refuted itself! In fact, I do think that in every Black setup White has enough play to justify his pawn sacrifice. I will not deny that Black will come close to equality (or even achieve it) in most of these lines, but at least it is dynamic (and not dull) equality.


this is good news!  most BDG material is rather bias, or to optimistic.  lemberger and ziegler seems to be the best, with the tiechman not far behind.  who is the publisher?  can't wait to see it.  i might play it again after all; or least against those annoying C-K and French players. 
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #14 - 01/05/09 at 13:08:07
 
GM Wahls: "Modernes Skandinavisch" (1997) opted for
1. e4 d5 2. d4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 Bf5 , e.g. 5. fxe4 Nxe4 6. Qf3 Nd6 7. Bf4 e6. At that time he saw black advantage in most lines. However, I don't know whether the 2nd edition of the book (Co-authors were then GM Karsten Mueller et. al.) introduced anything else against BDG.

What is the theoretical status of 4..Bf5 today? Any chances for White for equal play? Regards, papageno.



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