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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #181 - 02/15/10 at 10:47:20
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After 1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 e6 4.Bg2 d5 5.O-O Bd6 6.c4 c6 7.Nc3 O-O 8.Qc2 Ne4 9.Rb1 Nbd7 10.b4 b5 11.cxb5 Nxc3 12.Qxc3 cxb5 13.Qc6 Qb6 14.Qxa8 apart from Bb7, Bb8 and Nb8 Black can also exchange Queens with 14...Qc7. Alas this leads to a bad  ending, e.g. 15.Bf4!? Bxf4 16.gxf4 Nb6 17.Rfc1 Nxa8! (17...Qxc1+? 18.Rxc1 Nxa8 19.Rc5 a6 10.Rc6 +-)  18.Rxc7 Nxc7 19.Rc1 Na6 and Black is struggling for a draw.

This is clearly not attractive for Black but the Qc7 idea can be used to try to improve on the gambit line 13...Nb6:

After 13...Qc7!? 14.Qxb5 both 14...Rb8 15.Qa4 Nb6 16.Qa5 Rf7! with quite a bit compensation and 14...a5 15.Bd2 (15.bxa5 Ba6) 15...axb4 with good chances for an equal game, e.g. 16.Rfc1 Qd8 17.Bxb4 Bxb4 18.Rxb4 Rxa2, come into consideration.


  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #180 - 02/15/10 at 08:10:00
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This is what Mr Aagaard wrote in his blog after a question of mine concerning this line :

"I will forward this line to Boris, as it would be nice to come with a clear recommendation from the author, but I do not think Black equalises, unless you play like a machine with White. Lines I found to favour White slightly are: 14.Qxb5 Nc4 15.Ne5 Bxe5 (looks best) 16.dxe5 a5 17.a3 Nxe5 18.Qc5, and White has two bishops and a passed pawn. Black does have a nice centre, but still I prefer White a bit. As an active played I am also propelled towards 14.Bg5 Qd7 15.Rfc1 Rb8 (machine move, but looks right!?) 16.Qxd7 Bxd7 17.Ne1 Nc4 18.Nd3 with the idea Bf4 with a slight plus.

The Stonewall is of course a solid opening, and in no way to be considered bad. But this kind of passive defence cannot be to anyones taste all the same…"


Another poster (Ponting is a legend) wrote:

"Here is a line I worked out: 1. d4 f5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. Bg2 d5 5. 0-0 Bd6 6. c4 c6 7. Nc3 0-0 8. Qc2 Ne4 9. Rb1 Nbd7 10. b4 b5 11. cxb5 Nxc3 12. Qxc3 cxb5 13. Qc6 Nb6 14. Qxb5 Nc4 15. Qa4 Bd7 16. Qd1! Why autopin the queen? Retreat it to safety with an extra pawn. 16 …a5 17. b5; 16…Qe7 17. Nd2!; 16…Rb8 17. Bg5 Qe8 18. Bf4! Rxb4 19. Bxd6 Rxb1 20. Qxb1 Nxd6 21. Qb4 Qb8 22. Rb1 +/= Stable positional advantage for White."

And the same poster after a while:

"Or 21. Ne5 instead is probably even better. I’d much prefer White here."

These actions from the Qualitychess editors really earn our respect.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #179 - 02/14/10 at 23:23:45
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TonyRo wrote on 02/14/10 at 16:08:46:
I feel like gouging my eyes out when I read analysis that is littered with commas and semicolons.


And I thought the younger generation had a better adaptability.
  

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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #178 - 02/14/10 at 17:04:08
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I learned the chessrules before computers or databases existed. The notation was used in an old book of Euwe and somehow it kept sticking. For the young computerised generation this notation looks of course awfull but please realise that standard pgn notation only became later universally accepted.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #177 - 02/14/10 at 16:26:40
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TonyRo, the colon is an old standard way of indicating captures.  You might see it in chess literature of German or Yugoslav origin, for example.  It can occur in the form N:d4 as well as Nd4:.

It's dollar signs and other computer effluvia that make me want to gouge my eyes out ...
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #176 - 02/14/10 at 16:08:46
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Dragonslayer wrote on 02/14/10 at 00:04:02:
TonyRo wrote on 02/11/10 at 13:33:34:
I think you would have cut the trouble of posting that line substantially had you left out the weird and randomized punctuation after every move, per convention, for example:

1. d4 f5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. Bg2 d5 5. 0-0 Bd6 6. c4 c6 7. Nc3 0-0 8. Qc2 Ne4 9. Rb1 Nbd7 10. b4 b5 11. cxb5 Nxc3 12. Qxc3 cxb5 13. Qc6 Nb6 14. Qxb5 Nc4 15. Ne5 Bxe5 16. dxe5 a5!


Perhaps you noticed that for every 'x' you have made there corresponds a "randomized" ':'
What a "weird" 'coincidence'...  Wink


I did of course notice, but the point stands that I feel like gouging my eyes out when I read analysis that is littered with commas and semicolons. Did you make that notation up yourself?
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #175 - 02/14/10 at 00:04:02
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TonyRo wrote on 02/11/10 at 13:33:34:
I think you would have cut the trouble of posting that line substantially had you left out the weird and randomized punctuation after every move, per convention, for example:

1. d4 f5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. Bg2 d5 5. 0-0 Bd6 6. c4 c6 7. Nc3 0-0 8. Qc2 Ne4 9. Rb1 Nbd7 10. b4 b5 11. cxb5 Nxc3 12. Qxc3 cxb5 13. Qc6 Nb6 14. Qxb5 Nc4 15. Ne5 Bxe5 16. dxe5 a5!


Perhaps you noticed that for every 'x' you have made there corresponds a "randomized" ':'
What a "weird" 'coincidence'...  Wink
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #174 - 02/11/10 at 13:33:34
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brabo wrote on 02/11/10 at 06:22:31:
Ametanoitos wrote on 02/10/10 at 18:23:21:
Without Knights coming to g4 or e4 the thrust ...f4 is not so dangerous for White. On the other hand White has a nice edge on the queenside and over all has a better pawnstructure (if only e5-e4 was possible but it seems not me not easy to acomplish). In general i'm from Black's side but in this particular position i'd rather have White. At least this is according to my chess understanding. So, i dont trust ...Ne4 anymore because of Nxe4 AND Avruk's analysis on Rb1

I'm curious also about  the other lines. We'll for sure compare his analysis with our discussion some months earlier.


Besides taking back with the knight, black has a second possibility :

1. d4, f5 2. Nf3, Nf6 3. g3, e6 4. Bg2, d5 5. 0-0, Bd6 6. c4, c6 7. Nc3, 0-0 8. Qc2, Ne4 9. Rb1, Nbd7 10. b4, b5 11. cb5:, Nc3: 12. Qc3:, cb5: 13. Qc6, Nb6 14. Qb5:, Nc4 15. Ne5, Be5: 16. de5:, a5! seems to be playable too for black.


I think you would have cut the trouble of posting that line substantially had you left out the weird and randomized punctuation after every move, per convention, for example:

1. d4 f5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. Bg2 d5 5. 0-0 Bd6 6. c4 c6 7. Nc3 0-0 8. Qc2 Ne4 9. Rb1 Nbd7 10. b4 b5 11. cxb5 Nxc3 12. Qxc3 cxb5 13. Qc6 Nb6 14. Qxb5 Nc4 15. Ne5 Bxe5 16. dxe5 a5!
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #173 - 02/11/10 at 06:22:31
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Ametanoitos wrote on 02/10/10 at 18:23:21:
Without Knights coming to g4 or e4 the thrust ...f4 is not so dangerous for White. On the other hand White has a nice edge on the queenside and over all has a better pawnstructure (if only e5-e4 was possible but it seems not me not easy to acomplish). In general i'm from Black's side but in this particular position i'd rather have White. At least this is according to my chess understanding. So, i dont trust ...Ne4 anymore because of Nxe4 AND Avruk's analysis on Rb1

I'm curious also about  the other lines. We'll for sure compare his analysis with our discussion some months earlier.


Besides taking back with the knight, black has a second possibility :

1. d4, f5 2. Nf3, Nf6 3. g3, e6 4. Bg2, d5 5. 0-0, Bd6 6. c4, c6 7. Nc3, 0-0 8. Qc2, Ne4 9. Rb1, Nbd7 10. b4, b5 11. cb5:, Nc3: 12. Qc3:, cb5: 13. Qc6, Nb6 14. Qb5:, Nc4 15. Ne5, Be5: 16. de5:, a5! seems to be playable too for black.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #172 - 02/10/10 at 18:23:21
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Without Knights coming to g4 or e4 the thrust ...f4 is not so dangerous for White. On the other hand White has a nice edge on the queenside and over all has a better pawnstructure (if only e5-e4 was possible but it seems not me not easy to acomplish). In general i'm from Black's side but in this particular position i'd rather have White. At least this is according to my chess understanding. So, i dont trust ...Ne4 anymore because of Nxe4 AND Avruk's analysis on Rb1

I'm curious also about  the other lines. We'll for sure compare his analysis with our discussion some months earlier.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #171 - 02/10/10 at 15:08:10
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Ametanoitos wrote on 02/10/10 at 14:50:01:
Yes, 13...Nb6 is an obvious alternative that should have been mentioned but i think that after 14.Qxb5 Nc4 15.Ne5! Nxe5 16.dxe5 Bxe5 White has to be a little better. This is not a big threat to Stonewall ofcourse.


I saw the line too yesterday but didn't find it very impressive. Black gets too easy his sacrificed pawn back and keeps counterplay via f4 which isn't the case in the lines Avrukh is showing. Anyway the whole variation is still in its first childeren shoes so new ideas will keep on popping up which will shift the pendule often between the camps. I am also interested to know what he mentions against 8.., Qe8; 8..., Qe7; 8.., Nbd7 even if it is just to know where the overlap with my own analysis is and where he diverts.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #170 - 02/10/10 at 14:50:01
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Yes, 13...Nb6 is an obvious alternative that should have been mentioned but i think that after 14.Qxb5 Nc4 15.Ne5! Nxe5 16.dxe5 Bxe5 White has to be a little better. This is not a big threat to Stonewall ofcourse.

  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #169 - 02/10/10 at 09:28:40
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Ametanoitos wrote on 02/09/10 at 23:06:55:
It seems tha Avrukh in his second volume of Grandmaster repertoire used the Nc3+Qc2+Rb1 system but after ...Ne4 not the new idea with Nxe4 found by Brabo and analysed by both of us in the summer.


As often has been the case in history, different people are finding the same things at approximately the same time. I am not really surprised because we all have the same hardware, software and databases so it is quite logically that with some deduction we come to the same conclusions.

Yesterday I saw the same article via a comment on the blog of Sverre Johnsen (author of ''Win with the Stonewall Dutch) and immediately contacted the author directly because it concerns one of the critical mainvariations of the book. The same evening I started to review the novelty.

1. d4, f5 2. Nf3, Nf6 3. g3, e6 4. Bg2, d5 5. 0-0, Bd6 6. c4, c6 7. Nc3, 0-0 8. Qc2, Ne4 9. Rb1, Nbd7 10. b4, b5 11. cb5:, Nc3: 12. Qc3:, cb5: (This was one of the mainreasons why I preferred 9.Ne4: i.s.o. 9. Rb1) 13. Qc6N (However Avrukh comes up with a new idea and tries to show that whites chances should be preferred.), Qb6 14. Qa8:!!, Bb8 (His mainline but 14..., Nb8 is also very interesting with quite some potential that Avrukh didn't touch. I am thinking of e.g. 16.., h6 i.s.o. 16.., Bd7 and 18.., Be7 i.s.o. 18..., a5) 15. Ng5!, Bb7 16. Qb7:, Bb7: 17. Ne6:, Re8 18. Nc5, Qc6 Rybka and Fritz still think things are comfortable even for black but I tend to disagree as does Avrukh because black is completely lacking counterplay while white can easily build up the pressure further.

So 9. Rb1 is also good for a small advantage? Maybe but the following interesting pawnsacrifice he doesn't discuss:

1. d4, f5 2. Nf3, Nf6 3. g3, e6 4. Bg2, d5 5. 0-0, Bd6 6. c4, c6 7. Nc3, 0-0 8. Qc2, Ne4 9. Rb1, Nbd7 10. b4, b5 11. cb5:, Nc3: 12. Qc3:, cb5: 13. Qc6, Nb6N 14. Qb5:, Nc4 (White is a pawn up but black has quite some counterplay for it) 15. Qa4, Bd7 16. Qb3, Rb8 17. a3, a5 18. Ne5 (It seems white has to give the pawn back.), ab4: 19. Nc4:, dc4: 20. Qc4:, ba3: 21. Ra1, Qf6 22. Ba3:, Bb5 23. Qc2, Ba3: 24. Ra3:, Qd4: and black finally equalised.

Long analysis, wrong analysis of course but the line clearly shows that the author wasn't able to cover everything so there is still room left for imagination.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #168 - 02/10/10 at 06:40:02
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Wow, thanks Alias!  Just those few pages show that this will be an extremely meaty book with plenty of controversial topics for everyone!

I'm sure it's already an early contender for book of the year!
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #167 - 02/10/10 at 05:20:38
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 02/10/10 at 04:45:12:
How do you know this, Amet? Is it out yet? Shocked


http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/GM2-excerpt.pdf
  

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