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Reply #57 - 12/26/10 at 17:28:47
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Reply #56 - 12/26/10 at 09:00:54
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Thank you for your comments and suggestions. I think for now I will play the main line head on with the 9..b5 variation. Learning to play new openings I think it is best to start with the main lines, then when I get some more experience I can experiment with the side lines.

  
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Re: Modern Benoni Repertoire
Reply #55 - 12/25/10 at 17:32:23
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LeeRoth wrote on 12/13/10 at 05:15:27:
@Rimfaxe -- If you play the Benoni from the 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.Nc3 g6 move order, then you can avoid the Modern Main Line, after either 7.e4 or 7.h3, by playing 7..a6!



what after 7. h3 a6 8. a4? 8. ... Qe7 looks a bit dodgy...
  
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Reply #54 - 12/13/10 at 05:15:27
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@Rimfaxe -- If you play the Benoni from the 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.Nc3 g6 move order, then you can avoid the Modern Main Line, after either 7.e4 or 7.h3, by playing 7..a6!

  
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Re: Modern Benoni Repertoire
Reply #53 - 12/11/10 at 02:48:53
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Rimfaxe wrote on 12/10/10 at 21:18:12:
I have decided to start to play the Modern Benoni, specially against 1.d4 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3.Nf3, where I used to play the QI.

I am trying to change my opening repertoire to get more active positions, but I have had a lot of problems finding something active against d4 that fits my playing style. But I think the modern Benoni can be the way to go for me. My rating is about 1900, and most of my opponents do not know much theory, so I do not need to be sharp on all details, just to get the ideas so I can get a good active position with the Black pieces.

I just bought the Watson book and the Vegh book.

I wonder what do you think about the Watson recommandation 9...Nh5 in the modern main line?

The normal move is 9...b5 is recommended by Vegh.

It is 6 years ago Watson wrote his book, so is 9...Nh5 still playable? Or should I go for 9..b5?



Personally I would embrace 9...b5.  I've played some CC games and been reasonably satisfied with my play.  Some lines are not so easy to win, but they don't seem difficult to draw.   You're Black, though, you know?

My main problem with the MB is what to do after 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4.  Obviously there is no MB now without White's cooperation, but how to play when he doesn't cooperate?

I guess the answer to winning with Black is, change your name to Bogoljubov.
  

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Reply #52 - 12/11/10 at 01:39:21
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TN wrote on 12/11/10 at 00:24:57:
If you want to play ...Nh5, then why castle? 7.h3 Bg7 8.e4 a6 9.a4 Nbd7!? 10.Bd3 Nh5! is still going strong for Black.


Isn't that under dispute?  http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1277923036

I for one think Black is probably OK but after I managed to delete my (rybka's/firebird's) analysis on this I never got back to it.
  
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Reply #51 - 12/11/10 at 00:24:57
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If you want to play ...Nh5, then why castle? 7.h3 Bg7 8.e4 a6 9.a4 Nbd7!? 10.Bd3 Nh5! is still going strong for Black.
  

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Reply #50 - 12/10/10 at 21:18:12
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I have decided to start to play the Modern Benoni, specially against 1.d4 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3.Nf3, where I used to play the QI.

I am trying to change my opening repertoire to get more active positions, but I have had a lot of problems finding something active against d4 that fits my playing style. But I think the modern Benoni can be the way to go for me. My rating is about 1900, and most of my opponents do not know much theory, so I do not need to be sharp on all details, just to get the ideas so I can get a good active position with the Black pieces.

I just bought the Watson book and the Vegh book.

I wonder what do you think about the Watson recommandation 9...Nh5 in the modern main line?

The normal move is 9...b5 is recommended by Vegh.

It is 6 years ago Watson wrote his book, so is 9...Nh5 still playable? Or should I go for 9..b5?

  
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Re: Modern Benoni Repertoire
Reply #49 - 12/10/10 at 20:43:42
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No more Botvinnik Systems for White either, so that was no big deal for me.
My biggest problem was a kind of schizophrenia. As Black I liked something like 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.g3 d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Bg2 Nc7 best, which is an Accelerated Dragon with colours reversed. Somewhere there is a gambit developed by Vaganian and Kapengut. I think it's considered dubious these days, but I would not know for certain. I never got the chance to play it anyway.
The problem with this is 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 when g6 (I did not like other lines very much) allows White to play that same variation him/herself. Fortunately I never faced this problem in practice.

Another option I looked at was leaving that Queen's Knight on d7 for a while: 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.Nc3 g6 4.g3 Bg7 5.Bg2 0-0 6.0-0 d6 7.d4 a6 (my own invention, unaware that Paoli already played this 35 years earlier). An opponent played 8.dxc5 and I managed to draw after an incredibly dull game. That was the end of this idea.
The problem was "solved" when I got bored from the Benkö and Benoni's in general and began to play something else.
  

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Re: Modern Benoni Repertoire
Reply #48 - 12/10/10 at 15:51:23
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MNb wrote on 12/09/10 at 16:14:40:
Markovich wrote on 12/09/10 at 00:44:25:
It seems to me that the Modern Benoni player does best to play the Sicilian and the Symmetrical English.  Then both 1.Nf3 and 1.c4 can be met with 1...c5.  But without the Sicilian in the repertoire, 1...c5 can't be played against 1.Nf3.

In general you're right. But it is not entirely necessary to incorporate the Sicilian When I played the Benkö I answered 1.Nf3 with Nf6 and only after 2.c4 c5.


This gives rise to a form of the Symmetrical that, in my opinion, isn't quite as nice for Black as when he plays his QN out first.  No more Botvinnik Systems, for one thing.
  

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Re: Modern Benoni Repertoire
Reply #47 - 12/09/10 at 16:14:40
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Markovich wrote on 12/09/10 at 00:44:25:
It seems to me that the Modern Benoni player does best to play the Sicilian and the Symmetrical English.  Then both 1.Nf3 and 1.c4 can be met with 1...c5.  But without the Sicilian in the repertoire, 1...c5 can't be played against 1.Nf3.

In general you're right. But it is not entirely necessary to incorporate the Sicilian When I played the Benkö I answered 1.Nf3 with Nf6 and only after 2.c4 c5.
  

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Re: Modern Benoni Repertoire
Reply #46 - 12/09/10 at 04:58:12
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Markovich wrote on 12/09/10 at 00:44:25:
So far as I know, there is no way to wangle a Modern Benoni against 1.Nf3 unless White is quite cooperative.  Thus 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 and so forth, with nary a chance of a Modern Benoni.


Palliser makes exactly this point in Beating Unusual Chess Openings when he observes that Benoni (and Benko) players are rather move-ordered by 1.Nf3.

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It seems to me that the Modern Benoni player does best to play the Sicilian and the Symmetrical English.  Then both 1.Nf3 and 1.c4 can be met with 1...c5.  But without the Sicilian in the repertoire, 1...c5 can't be played against 1.Nf3.


I suppose one could go on the assumption that someone who plays 1.Nf3 to move-order you out of your favorite defence to his preferred choice of 1.d4 is probably not really prepared for the Sicilian either but I seem to recall a story about the young Vaganian being caught in exactly this way.
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Re: Modern Benoni Repertoire
Reply #45 - 12/09/10 at 00:44:25
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So far as I know, there is no way to wangle a Modern Benoni against 1.Nf3 unless White is quite cooperative.  Thus 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 and so forth, with nary a chance of a Modern Benoni.

It seems to me that the Modern Benoni player does best to play the Sicilian and the Symmetrical English.  Then both 1.Nf3 and 1.c4 can be met with 1...c5.  But without the Sicilian in the repertoire, 1...c5 can't be played against 1.Nf3.
  

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Re: Modern Benoni Repertoire
Reply #44 - 12/07/10 at 00:26:42
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1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 - the choice for a Benoniplayer is between
a) 2.-e6 (drawback could be 3.g3 and very less action..)
b) 2.-c5 3.d5 g6 (would be preferred by me, drawback is  you have to be prepared for the Czech-Benoni but that looks quite ok when you dig down a bit)
c) 2.-g6 (drawback could be 3.c4 c5 4.Nc3)

Everything in Benoni tends to be critical, but black gets his chances - that is worth alot!

g3-system I think 9.-Re8 10.Bf4 is as critical as 10.Nd2 but not as sharp then.

Modern with Nf3, Bd3 and h3 is very boring for Black as far as I understand and made me quit playing the complex.
Disclaimer - only thru 2.-e6 3.Nf3/3.g3 as I used NI against the 3.Nc3.
  
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Reply #43 - 11/17/10 at 04:55:18
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