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Reply #45 - 05/15/10 at 12:04:36
 
True, I hear a lot of low rated players complaining about the GM Repertoire series as well as Vitiugov's book about how minor lines are not covered. Books geared towards advanced players should generally only cover advanced lines.
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Reply #46 - 05/15/10 at 12:40:47
 
I´m still in the process of making up my mind on this book and you definitely are right that we should not judge a book by what we want it to be. My last post on a very specific subvariation of the advance system was just to show what to expect from Vitiugovs book and what not.

So an interim result for judging the value of the book is to find out about it´s goal and the target audience. Regarding this, the book is for French specialists  between 2000 and maybe 2400 ELO. It´s not a complete repertoire on any level of play and contains excellent parts with very interesting original analysis and sometimes even novelties in often played mainlines of specific systems (e.g. in the chapter on 3.Nd2 c5 with Qxd5) even as parts that show primary a lack of interest by the author.

So you have to look for the gold nuggets and be aware of the superficial parts. It looks like some mistakes come from the fact, that Vitiugov widely ignores corrchess games (and the chesspub files), so be aware of his analysis especially in the wild winawer line he researches.

E.G: After reaching the tabya of this line after
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Sc3 Lb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Lxc3+ 6.bxc3 Se7 7.Dg4 cxd4 8.Dxg7 Tg8 9.Dxh7 Dc7 10.Se2 Sbc6 11.f4 Ld7 12.Dd3 dxc3
one White main line is 13.Dxc3 Sf5 14.Tb1 d4 15.Dd3 0–0–0 16.Tg1 Sa5 The best move according to Vitiugov, Wei Ming gave it a "!" on chesspub, too.

An important position with about 500 games in my database and still 140 after 16....Sa5.

17.g4 Ba4! is most popular continuation now and Vitugov analyses
18.c3, where he gives 18....Bc2!, which arguably is less precise than 18....Nb3!, analysed bei Wei Ming in the comments on the game Smirnov - Arslanov 2009.
Nevertheless, 18.gxf5 is the move exclusively played in 2009 and it is not even mentioned.

Vitiugov tries to take the sting out of any criticism by the following remark: "Naturally, the sharpest variation with 13.Qxc3 requires an urgent repair by White move by move, but I think that on the pages of this book, it would be sufficient for me to give you an idea about the outlines of the arising positions and themes"
But is that really enough in such a concrete and sharp line with a very strong target audience in mind?

By the way, looking at his analysis it´s not tough for White to improve:
17.Rb4 a6 18.g4 Nh4 (Se3 should be better) 19.a4 f6 20.exf6 e5 21.f7 ends -+ with Vitiugov following Steflitsch - Poldauf 2002. Had he looked at the correspondence games Ward - Bongiovanni 2003 or Teichmeister - Makawov 2006 or even at Rybkas assessment of the position after 20....e5, he should have noticed that Black is done after 21.fxe5 ! Nc5 22.Rc4.

So the my final assessment for now is: You have to search for the gems and be well aware of the serious flaws this book has. It´s a collection of interesting ideas, but not a reliable repertoire on any level of play. It´s value comes from the fact, that rarely such a high-level player comments on the black side of the French.



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Reply #47 - 05/15/10 at 14:08:41
 
Is there a new trend that "repertoire" is just a buzzword you add in to boost sales, with no real meaning?! Moskalenko's book did the same thing (one distinctly incomplete chapter even subtitled "A repertoire for White and for Black") and regardless of the objective merits of the books, this is frankly cheating. "Repertoire" implies an attempt at completeness, period!

I suppose if Vitiugov presents high-level analysis of the critical lines the lack of completeness can be forgiven, so derdua's criticism is even more serious.

For strong players today a database and an engine are probably enough to deal with non-critical sidelines; they may even decide to not waste preparation time and just work them out at the board if they should arise (if they are toothless enough).

Anyone who wants book coverage of White's sidelines in the French can consult a real repertoire book like Watson's Play the French 3, or Psakhis' four Batsford volumes (descdendants of his older "The Complete French").
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Reply #48 - 05/15/10 at 14:31:28
 
Stigma wrote on 05/15/10 at 14:08:41:
Is there a new trend that "repertoire" is just a buzzword you add in to boost sales, with no real meaning?! Moskalenko's book did the same thing (one distinctly incomplete chapter even subtitled "A repertoire for White and for Black") and regardless of the objective merits of the books, this is frankly cheating. "Repertoire" implies an attempt at completeness, period!

I suppose if Vitiugov presents high-level analysis of the critical lines the lack of completeness can be forgiven, so derdua's criticism is even more serious.

For strong players today a database and an engine are probably enough to deal with non-critical sidelines; they may even decide to not waste prearation time and just work them out at the board if they should arise (if they are toothless enough).

Anyone who wants book coverage of White's sidelines in the French can consult a real repertoire book like Watson's Play the French 3, or Psakhis' three Batsford volumes (descdendants of his older "The Complete French").


Psakhis four books covers all lines and are not repertoire books.
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Reply #49 - 05/15/10 at 15:03:23
 
There must be a line drawn about minor sidelines. Just because Vitiugov does not cover 1. e4 e6 2. Nh3 does not mean it is not a repertoire book. To be honest, anyone over 2200 ELO should be able to work out a minor sideline such as 1. e4 e6 2. Nh3 over the board without any previous knowledge. For a 1700 ELO to fault this omission is silly, and is not due to any arrogance of Vitiugov. I have already seen 1800 ELO players complaining on Quality Chess's blog when they received GM Repertoire 2, and complained how Avrukh did not cover 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 Ne4?! and other dubious minor sidelines. If you cannot at least try to handle these replies over the board or on your own, do not buy the books.
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Reply #50 - 05/15/10 at 15:19:12
 
La Tristeza, you´re right with that point. But concerning this book, there are two things to recognize:

- It´s nowhere near the quality of Avrukh´s books
- Ignoring obviously inferior lines is the least of the problems with Vitiugov´s book
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Reply #51 - 05/15/10 at 15:23:06
 
Alias wrote on 05/15/10 at 14:31:28:
Psakhis four books covers all lines and are not repertoire books.


Thanks, I corrected the number. I never claimed they were repertoire books (notice the comma in that sentence), but they are genuine attempts to be complete (for both sides), which was the relevant point.
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Reply #52 - 05/15/10 at 15:38:30
 
Warne is a legend wrote on 05/15/10 at 15:03:23:
There must be a line drawn about minor sidelines. Just because Vitiugov does not cover 1. e4 e6 2. Nh3 does not mean it is not a repertoire book. To be honest, anyone over 2200 ELO should be able to work out a minor sideline such as 1. e4 e6 2. Nh3 over the board without any previous knowledge. For a 1700 ELO to fault this omission is silly, and is not due to any arrogance of Vitiugov.

I agree in principle (and on 2.Nh3 of course), but it's still a matter of opinion where to draw the line. Omitting every form of the French Exchange except the c4 lines (as derdua mentioned above) sounds too restrictive in a supposedly "Complete Repertoire". I'm criticizing the marketing more than the contents here.

The choice to cover all three main lines against 3.Nc3 also looks strange in what is today a below-average length repertoire book. Almost like the author couldn't decide whether to write a complete survey of 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 or a Black repertoire with 1.e4 e6.

Or is the idea that the book also serves as White 3.Nc3 repertoire!?
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Reply #53 - 05/15/10 at 15:50:23
 
Warne is a legend wrote on 05/15/10 at 15:03:23:
[...]Avrukh did not cover 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 Ne4?! and other dubious minor sidelines. If you cannot at least try to handle these replies over the board or on your own, do not buy the books.

Sic: "try".  Wink
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Reply #54 - 05/22/10 at 15:09:59
 
I see that both Vitiugov's book neither Moskalenko's Flexible French do not cover the isolated 3...c5 Tarrasch, viz. 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. exd5 exd5. Is there something wrong about 4...exd5 with the isolated pawn (after White will play ...dxc5)? I've always played against the Tarrasch like this, but it seems to be highly unpopular. In my opinion and experience, it seems to be a complete equaliser, unlike the Scandinavian hybrid 4...Qxd5.
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Reply #55 - 05/22/10 at 16:05:27
 
Warne is a legend wrote on 05/22/10 at 15:09:59:
I see that both Vitiugov's book neither Moskalenko's Flexible French do not cover the isolated 3...c5 Tarrasch, viz. 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. exd5 exd5. Is there something wrong about 4...exd5 with the isolated pawn (after White will play ...dxc5)? I've always played against the Tarrasch like this, but it seems to be highly unpopular. In my opinion and experience, it seems to be a complete equaliser, unlike the Scandinavian hybrid 4...Qxd5.


Well, a few decades ago it was much more common than 4...Qxd5.  It is perhaps generally regarded as a bit better for White with best play.  One player that comes to mind who still plays it is Yusupov.  Incidentally just a few days ago there was this:

[Event "ch-USA"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2010.05.18"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Kudrin,S"]
[Black "Kaidanov,G"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2571"]
[BlackElo "2577"]
[EventDate "2010.05.14"]
[ECO "C09"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. exd5 exd5 5. Ngf3 Nc6 6. Bb5 Bd6 7. dxc5
Bxc5 8. O-O Nge7 9. Nb3 Bd6 10. Re1 O-O 11. Bg5 Bg4 12. Be2 Re8 13. c3 Qc7
14. h3 Bd7 15. Nbd4 a6 16. Bd3 Ng6 17. Qc2 Nf8 18. Nf5 Bxf5 19. Bxf5 h6 20.
Be3 Rad8 21. Rad1 Ne6 22. Qa4 Bf8 23. Qg4 g6 24. Bb1 h5 25. Qa4 Bg7 26. a3
d4 27. cxd4 Nexd4 28. Nxd4 Bxd4 29. Bxd4 Rxe1+ 30. Rxe1 Nxd4 31. Qb4 Rd6
32. Be4 b5 33. Kf1 Ne6 34. Bf3 Rd4 35. Qb3 Rd2 36. Rd1 Nd4 37. Qd5 Qh2 38.
Ke1 Rxb2 39. Qd8+ Kh7 0-1
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Reply #56 - 05/22/10 at 16:47:06
 
Interesting. I usually play 5...Nf6 against 5. Ngf3 though. Most opponents played the line 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. Qe2 Be7 7. dxc5 line
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Reply #57 - 05/22/10 at 16:55:36
 
5...Nf6 has indeed been the more modern tendency.  I've seen some sources giving it as leading to equality; the most recent quickie reference I have seems to think White should get "a tiny edge."  Yusupov by the way still plays the "old-school" 5...Nc6.
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Reply #58 - 05/22/10 at 17:21:27
 
It surprises me that French Players worry about everything LOL. The Vitiugov guy covers all the most dangerous lines, and rather than rejoice you quibble about innocuous crap that was ommitted.

Go figure.

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Reply #59 - 05/22/10 at 17:33:44
 
Warne is a legend wrote on 05/22/10 at 15:09:59:
I see that both Vitiugov's book neither Moskalenko's Flexible French do not cover the isolated 3...c5 Tarrasch, viz. 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. exd5 exd5. Is there something wrong about 4...exd5?

Yes, that it is such a complete equalizer that it's drawing rating only is surpassed by the Petrov and the Slav Exchange. Uhlmann's book about the French covers it quite extensively.
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