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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	Re: Delayed Exchange French Reply #5 - 08/23/10 at 08:05:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	Not covered because Black can play 5...Nc6 6.Nf3 Bb4 Thomas-Nimzowitsch,1927 7.oo oo Wormald-Blackburne,1868 8.Bg5 Bg4 Msaon-Noa,1892 and it is Black's knight pins most dangerous With 5.Bg5! first, Black cannot engineer such plan with 5...Bb4 because of Pillsbury's 6.Qf3 Watson gives Black plan in another move order: 5.Nf3 Bb4!? (Watson advice) Paulsen-Kolisch,Londres 1861 and now 6.Bd3 transposes.

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Fromper Senior Member Offline GrandPatzer Posts: 378 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Joined: 03/12/10 Gender:	Re: Delayed Exchange French Reply #4 - 08/22/10 at 14:37:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	Stigma wrote on 08/22/10 at 11:14:47: Fromper wrote on 08/21/10 at 23:55:26: Today, a variation came up in one of my games that neither of those books really cover, which is mildly surprising, since it's so obvious: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. exd5 exd5 5. Bd3. Basically, it's a delayed Exchange variation, but because I'd already committed my knight to f6, it messed up my usual plan of Bd6 and Nge7. McDonald does cover 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.exd5 exd5 (games 31-32) but only with 5.Bg5. You're right. I looked it up after the game, but I missed that. I was looking at the beginning of the chapter for the early deviations, instead of at the end. Thanks for the suggestions, all.

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ReneDescartes God Member Offline Qu'est-ce donc que je suis? Une chose qui pense. Posts: 1240 Joined: 05/17/10 Gender:	Re: Delayed Exchange French Reply #3 - 08/22/10 at 12:35:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	In the normal Exchange move order 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5, 3.Nc3 is not considered a theoretical move; Vitiugov doesn't even consider it, for example. White's early Bd3 doesn't go too well with the isolated queen's pawn setup that could develop after 5...c5. In my database 5...c5 scores 61%. Just don't play ...c4, even if engines like it. Another approach is transposing into the Winawer with 5...Bb4. If White plays a3 without defending c3, go ahead and double his pawns; if White does defend c3, then he'll have to adopt a somewhat less aggressive setup, and you preserve your bishop with ...Ba5 or ...Bd6. The Winawer line can hardly be that bad, since it has been played by French specialist GMs Eingorn and Vaganian, and last year Wesley So even beat Ivanchuck with it!


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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3277 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: Delayed Exchange French Reply #2 - 08/22/10 at 11:14:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	Fromper wrote on 08/21/10 at 23:55:26: Today, a variation came up in one of my games that neither of those books really cover, which is mildly surprising, since it's so obvious: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. exd5 exd5 5. Bd3. Basically, it's a delayed Exchange variation, but because I'd already committed my knight to f6, it messed up my usual plan of Bd6 and Nge7. McDonald does cover 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.exd5 exd5 (games 31-32) but only with 5.Bg5. Just glancing at my database, kylemeister's 5.Bd3 Nc6 intending 6.Nge2 Nb4 looks pretty solid for black.

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Delayed Exchange French Reply #1 - 08/22/10 at 02:12:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, my first thought was 5...Nc6 "triangle" 6. Nge2 Nb4; I see that that was given as leading to equality by Gallagher in NCO. My next thought was that it looks like a pretty favorable environment for 5...c5.


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Fromper Senior Member Offline GrandPatzer Posts: 378 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Joined: 03/12/10 Gender:	C01,C11: Delayed Exchange French 08/21/10 at 23:55:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	So I'm playing the French using recommendations in McDonald's "How To Play Against 1 e4" and the 2nd edition of Watson's "Play the French". Rather than the Winawer recommended by Watson, I'm going with the Steinitz and MacCutcheon variations recommended by McDonald. Today, a variation came up in one of my games that neither of those books really cover, which is mildly surprising, since it's so obvious: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. exd5 exd5 5. Bd3. Basically, it's a delayed Exchange variation, but because I'd already committed my knight to f6, it messed up my usual plan of Bd6 and Nge7. We actually ended up both castling queen side, since he had the bishops on d3 and g5, plus queen on d2, which made it seem dangerous to castle king side, so I avoided it. I just had a hard time deciding on the best squares for my pieces after that. I'm thinking maybe I should have just gone with the immediate 5. ... h6 to avoid the Bg5 pin, since that's the first thing that messed me up. Of course, the fact that my opponent was rated 550 points above me and plays this way all the time against the French didn't help, but the game just didn't go well. Anyone have any recommendations on handling this?
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