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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #24 - 06/20/13 at 16:37:34
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JonathanB wrote on 06/17/13 at 17:44:53:

James Plaskett in his 1988 Batsford book "Playing to Win"


A book I quoted in my MA thesis.
  
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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #23 - 06/19/13 at 21:42:00
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Although, I'd forgotten that Ray Keene's, The Openings in Modern Theory and Practice - referenced earlier in the thread - contains an ... Nh6 Leningrad that was played by Paulsen against Steinitz in Vienna in 1873
  

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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #22 - 06/17/13 at 17:44:53
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Hadron wrote on 06/17/13 at 02:20:02:

James Plaskett in his 1988 Batsford book "Playing to Win" Page 19 indentifies Howard Staunton as playing the opening concerned 100 years before Basman.
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Ah yes, thanks.  It was exactly that passage that I had in mind - but I misremembered the name.  Probably because Paulsen played Basman's line in the Sicilian that Plaskett also mentions.

Good essay, that, Playing to Win.
  

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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #21 - 06/17/13 at 02:20:02
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JonathanB wrote on 10/29/11 at 05:54:53:

Essentially a mainline Leningrad with the king's knight on h6 instead of f6.  Played by Basman a lot circa 1973/74 and 'invented' by him although I gather Paulsen played the same way.


James Plaskett in his 1988 Batsford book "Playing to Win" Page 19 indentifies Howard Staunton as playing the opening concerned 100 years before Basman.
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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #20 - 06/17/13 at 00:59:35
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Bumping this thread to say that IM Andy Martin just did a quick video on a game in Basman's line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iou5cEd2zPs
  

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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #19 - 10/31/11 at 21:04:00
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edgy wrote on 10/31/11 at 18:54:18:
fling wrote on 10/31/11 at 18:01:09:
TalJechin wrote on 10/31/11 at 17:53:22:


Maybe 3...h6 could be a reply to the early h4, with Nf6 & Rg8 coming up - it's reminiscent of 2.Bg5 h6 etc, but with very few previous tests. If Basman was mainly looking for unusual position he could've been happy with that.


That is what I was thinking too. At least, I think ...Nf6 is the response White wants to see after h4.


After 4. e4, I think I like White.  4...fxe4 5. Qg4 looks awkward for Black.

Maybe 3...h5 might be OK?  Though I'd think the exchange of h-pawn pushes must be advantageous for White.


I considered 3...h5 too, briefly but the weakness of f4 and g5 looks too risky. 

After 4.e4 one should contemplate d6, d5 or e6 instead of fxe4. 

4.Nh3 Nf6 5.Nf4 Rg8 is a peculiar position, but probably okay for black - haven't consulted the monsters though...
  
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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #18 - 10/31/11 at 19:25:35
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As an alternative to 4.e4, ironically now White might think about bringing the knight to the rim: Nf1-h3, intending Nf4.
  

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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #17 - 10/31/11 at 18:54:18
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fling wrote on 10/31/11 at 18:01:09:
TalJechin wrote on 10/31/11 at 17:53:22:


Maybe 3...h6 could be a reply to the early h4, with Nf6 & Rg8 coming up - it's reminiscent of 2.Bg5 h6 etc, but with very few previous tests. If Basman was mainly looking for unusual position he could've been happy with that.


That is what I was thinking too. At least, I think ...Nf6 is the response White wants to see after h4.


After 4. e4, I think I like White.  4...fxe4 5. Qg4 looks awkward for Black.

Maybe 3...h5 might be OK?  Though I'd think the exchange of h-pawn pushes must be advantageous for White.
  

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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #16 - 10/31/11 at 18:14:49
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Shocked !!

Look at this:

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Tarrasch is high-speed-rotating in his grave! This position looks as if Black would be planning Ke8-f7-g7-h7!   Wink
  

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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #15 - 10/31/11 at 18:01:09
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TalJechin wrote on 10/31/11 at 17:53:22:


Maybe 3...h6 could be a reply to the early h4, with Nf6 & Rg8 coming up - it's reminiscent of 2.Bg5 h6 etc, but with very few previous tests. If Basman was mainly looking for unusual position he could've been happy with that.


That is what I was thinking too. At least, I think ...Nf6 is the response White wants to see after h4.
  
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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #14 - 10/31/11 at 17:53:22
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Black would also usually like to meet an early Nc3, without c4, with d7-d5 instead of d7-d6-d5.

Maybe 3...h6 could be a reply to the early h4, with Nf6 & Rg8 coming up - it's reminiscent of 2.Bg5 h6 etc, but with very few previous tests. If Basman was mainly looking for unusual position he could've been happy with that.
  
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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #13 - 10/31/11 at 17:01:40
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Scraping together my little understanding of the Dutch, one reason to play c2-c4 is fighting the Stonewall. So nowadays this move is rarely played as the second move (contrary to the first Dutch games, when it was quite standard). With an early d7-d6 Black declares he's not going to play the Stonewall. Therefore White might play Nc3 instead of c4, with the idea e2-e4. The play might develop 1.d4 f5 2.g3 d6 3.Bg2 g6, and now 4.Nc3 (in this exact position, it's relatively much more common than in other, "normal", positions). The most common move after 4...Nf6 is 5.e4 with some advantage for White; the game Tukmakov-de la Riva Aguado, Malgrat de Mar 1993, might be a good example.

There might be another reason why an early d7-d6 is rarely played: "The drawback is that Black's most reliable responses to an early b4 by White involve leaving the d-pawn at home." (Jon Tisdall about the position after 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 d6 in his CP annotations of the game Khenkin-Genocchio, Reggio Emilia 1999/2000).

But it seems to be true that White cannot play this "mad attack" any more (resp. only in variation which is better for Black).
  

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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #12 - 10/31/11 at 14:16:23
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Would it help any if Black tried 1.d4 f5 2.g3 d6 before going ...g6?
  
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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #11 - 10/31/11 at 13:09:55
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That variation might be playable once the game has reached the position below:


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But the question remains how Black can get such a "decent" position, if White is "getting mad": 1.d4 f5 2.g3 g6 3.h4 Nf6 4.h5!? Nxh5 5.Rxh5!? gxh5 6.e4:

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I've found only 14 games from this position, so the statistics are not extremely reliable, but White scores 89% with a TPR of +240. At the moment, White has only a knight for rook and pawn, but he'll almost inevitably win two pawns, and Black's king's position is horrible.

So is there a move order without Nf6 which allows Black to avoid a position as in the second diagram?

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Re: Basman's Variation of the Leningrad Dutch
Reply #10 - 10/31/11 at 08:56:41
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MNb wrote on 10/29/11 at 16:28:02:
Why on Earth should the Knight be better of h6 than on f6?


Basman as quoted on Tim Harding's book:-

There are many ideas behind [putting the knight on h6]. Firstly, it does not block the bishop's diagonal, nor the KR's line, after castling. Secondly, the black squares of the K-side have weakened; a knight on f7 can defend h6 and g5. Thirdly, sometimes White plays P-Q5 and Black answers ... P-K4; in this case, a knight on f7 can defend d6.
  

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