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Kings Gambit - ChessPub Forum https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?board=Kgambit Kings Gambit - ChessPub Forum en-us ChessPub Forum Thu, 16 Jul 2026 10:34:33 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 30 C30-C39: Death of King's Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1051639972 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1051639972 Tue, 4 Nov 2025 11:34:01 GMT Nikolaos Ntirlis also went with the Schallop Defence as his recommendation in Playing 1.e4 e5 – A Classical Repertoire, about ten years ago. It's interesting how this line has become a standard recommendation in these repertoire works, when previously we would be steered towards the Falkbeer, Modern or Nimzowitch and classical variations. KG - The Schlemmer Countergambit / 3...d5 https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1260437354 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1260437354 Thu, 3 Nov 2022 13:58:35 GMT Dr. Hans Schlemmer was in the 1950's one of the strongest youth players in Bavaria. He quit chess very early and resumed chess when he was about 50 years old. He reached ELO of 2325 in 1997, when he was already 62 years old He was a tactical player who played the Kings Gambit himself (line Bc4). with black he played regular the Albin Counter Gambit and the Jaenisch Gambit. Only against the Sicilian he played the rare 2. c4. corres M1449E Holzvoigh - Schlemmer 1.e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d5 4.Nxe5 dxe4 5.Qh5 Be6 6 Nf7 Bf2+ 7.Kxf2 Bxf7 8.Qe5 Ne7 9. Qxg7 Rg8 10. Qe5 Nd7 11. Qxe4 Nf6 12.Qa4+ ?? c6 and Black wins in move 22 corres 23.DFM/7 Walter - Schlemmer 1.e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d5 4.Nxe5 dxe4 5.Qh5 Be6 6 Nf7 Bf2+ 7.Kxf2 Qd4? 8. Kg3? Bf7 9. Qe5+ Qxe5 10.fxe5 Nc6 11. d3 Nxe5 12. d4? Nc6 draw in move 36 corres 25. DFM/4 Metz- Schlemmer 1.e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d5 4.Nxe5 dxe4 5.Qh5 Be6 6 Nxf7 Bf2+ 7.Kxf2 Bxf7 8. Qe5+ Ne7 9. c3? Nd7 10. Qxe4 Bd5 11. Qc2? 0-0 12. d4 Ng6 13. Kg1 Nxf4 14. Bxf4 Rxf4 15. Na3? Qf6 and black wins in move 25 Philidor Gambit in the KGA https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1666005229 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1666005229 Mon, 17 Oct 2022 12:46:32 GMT Interestingly enough, Na5 seems not to be only meant to trade with Nxc4, but to also play c6 followed by d5 at some point. It seems as if White and Black both have many options which range from a mild+= to = in this line, and there are few concrete variations. Computer move 4. h4 d5!? https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1639740303 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1639740303 Mon, 7 Mar 2022 22:38:48 GMT I was just looking at the free videos to the Gustafsson Chessable repertoire and he starts to mention the d5 line just as the video cuts off, calling it the cool new move in the g5 line. The repertoire is a couple of years old now, and it isn't the line he is recommending but thought it interesting he mentions it. C34: King's Gambit: Wagenbach Defence https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1277842561 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1277842561 Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:34:16 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1277842561/75#75">bof wrote</a> on 02/23/22 at 05:15:18: <div id="727F76747B7D71731000">Seems to me that, against the King's Gambit, plying into an unresolved mess is giving White the kind of game he wants. </div> Very possibly. But also the kind of game I want. As someone who plays the King's Gambit from both sides. The King's Gambit in 2016 https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1481767987 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1481767987 Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:50:07 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1481767987/9#9">TopNotch wrote</a> on 07/31/21 at 23:56:53: <div id="724956684952454E2601">Actually Nepo doesn't consider the Schallop Defence to be the most critical line for White to face but rather that honor goes to the Fischer 'Bust' Variation 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6. According to Nepo, Stockfish agrees with Fischer. <img rel=":-)" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /> </div> I heard a quote from Wesley So that Fischer was the Stockfish of his generation, makes sense <img rel=":-)" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /> The Schallop Defence https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1589129926 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1589129926 Sat, 23 Jan 2021 13:43:22 GMT A little off topic: Quote: <div> In a pure scientific sense, Black should rather play the equalizer 13..d5. But I always hated to play this move, when all I could achieve with it is to force a draw by simplification. Let's take this confession as a starting point for a small journey to the psychological meta-level of chess. For most players, including myself, tournament chess foremost is about scoring the maximum amount of points. It is not about playing the best move all the time, but the most efficient one, as a means to an end. Basically, you should always play the move, which hurts your opponent most. If for example, you play against a stronger opponent or against one who hates to go for a draw, use the threat of draw as a weapon! Play the second best move, the one armed with the draw weapon, and let him make a big concession in order to avoid the draw. .. Wahls (2016.03.04) 4. The Beginning of a Love Affair <a href="http://matthias-wahls.com/200-2/" target="_blank">http://matthias-wahls.com/200-2/</a> </div> Well, here in one paragraph we have Wahls playing a second-best move to avoid a sterile draw, of which I conditionally approve; and then recommending to play directly for a draw as a "winning" strategy, of which I unconditionally disapprove. Boys and girls, don't play like that! It's not real chess. And if by chance you "win" with such tactics, don't imagine it makes you a good player. John Curdo once quipped, "Players like that shouldn't get white." A Book on the Muzio Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1607722530 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1607722530 Sun, 13 Dec 2020 17:43:05 GMT There was also Harro Dahlgrün's four volumes Königsgambit Band 1-4. One of them, maybe the first, was mostly, or maybe completely, about the Polerio-Muzio. I used to own this set, but I didn't spend much time on the Muzio. Fascinating, but impractical for both players, since both colors have good options to avoid it. My last King's Gambit Accepted as black was a fast time control Muzio-like thing. No doubt I was briefly winning -- theoretically. I exchanged queens, but my opponent paid no attention and continued va banque. The clock was my downfall and at a later stage white had all his pieces developed while all of mine were still on the back row, albeit not on their original squares! After that I took up the Nimzowitsch-Marshall Countergambit (1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 c6). It is far inferior to accepting, nevertheless I have scored 100% with it. King's Gambit unamed variation https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1579079639 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1579079639 Wed, 15 Jan 2020 18:04:19 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1579079639/4#4">RoleyPoley wrote</a> on 01/15/20 at 17:05:45: <div id="34382B32063329066F601931362D343830355903">Gallagher doesnt appear to have covered the line in his book, just one game with 2...d6 which he says is likely to be played by Philidor devotees and white has no difficulty in reaching a pleasant position (example he gives has black play Nd7 and Ngf6.) </div> Databases have plenty of games on record, but hardly any played by elite players. I doubt there's much difficulty for White in reaching a pleasant position, but what's the optimum and how does Black best defend? Interesting thought that a Vienna move order is also possible and that authors on the Vienna may cover it in footnotes. KG: Modern Defence https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1511084141 ChessPub Forum/Kings Gambit https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1511084141 Sat, 2 Dec 2017 03:57:05 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1511084141/1#1">Paul Cumbers wrote</a> on 12/01/17 at 22:33:52: <div id="0D322F3E282E5D04"><a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1511084141/0#0">Glenn Snow wrote</a> on 11/19/17 at 09:35:41: <div id="7E46475A47474C454E2905">While looking at various tries for White against the Modern my computer (Stockfish) came up with an idea I haven't seen before. It's only equal but still interesting. 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 exf4 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bb5+ c6 6.dxc6 Nxc6 7.Nc3 (Shaw only analyzed 7.d4 in his book.) 7...Bd6 (7...Bb4!?) 8.Qe2+ Be6 (8...Kf8 is probably about equal too but with lots of play for both sides.) 9.Bxc6+ bxc6 10.Ng5 O-O (guarding the Bishop on e6 with the Queen is = too) 11.Nxe6 fxe6 12.b3!? (of course taking the pawn is good for Black) 12...Nd5! 13.Bb2 (13.Ne4=) and while the position is equal both sides have to play accurately. With his weak pawns Black must be careful not to go into a bad endgame. Perhaps the variation has some practical value. </div> Now after 13...Qh4+, can White successfully avoid 14.Qf2 Qh5 15.Qf3 Qh4+ 16.Qf2 ½-½ ? </div> Yes with 14.Kd1 which is still equal however. Looking at it with Stockfish 8 it appeared Black had to be more accurate to maintain equal chances. I'm not that excited about this, however, since there are so many deviations and now I think White may have trouble keeping things equal after 7...Bb4.