https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?board=fourp Four Pawns - ChessPub Forum en-us ChessPub Forum Sat, 15 Aug 2026 20:01:33 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 30 https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1732628904 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1732628904 Tue, 26 Nov 2024 17:03:22 GMT Yes, thanks - that was the model game I looked at! But with c3 - instead of Rb1 after Qxb2, he should have played Qf3 https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1634606554 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1634606554 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 14:30:26 GMT According to GM Moskalenko in An An Attacking Repertoire 10.Qc2 is a blunder, while 10.Bg5 is equal. Hence he favours 7.Bd3.and 10.Bc2. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1222019985 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1222019985 Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:50:44 GMT Yeah, sorry. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1290583060 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1290583060 Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:33:31 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1290583059/1#1">TN wrote</a> on 11/24/10 at 07:46:52:<br /><div id="4F737E4B697E687E6F68747D292A2B2B1B00">7.d5, 8.Be2 and 9.cd5 are by no means forced.  </div><!--4F737E4B697E687E6F68747D292A2B2B1B00--><br />Of course, but they're up to white not black. I'm giving options black can choose. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1261138002 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1261138002 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:59:50 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1261138001/23#23">motörhead wrote</a> on 08/21/10 at 19:46:22:<br /><div id="6C6B7670636F0201"><a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1261138001/18#18">moahunter wrote</a> on 12/31/09 at 23:29:56:<br /><div id="30323C35283329382F5D02"><a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1261138001/16#16">Markovich wrote</a> on 12/28/09 at 19:37:50:<br /><div id="65495A43475E414B402803">  The KID literature tends toward advocacy, and many of these authors look down their noses at the 4PA.  But I very much doubt that it's unsound.  Really I can't think of a better weapon for smashing KIDs at the club level. </div><!--6C6B7670636F0201--><br />I agree with this - I got the Kill Kid book, and I think it is all most OTB players will need. You can quickly learn lines well beyond what most KID players will have learned (as they have to master all the theory of the other KID lines). The book is very well organized, so you can quickly look at sections to get a reminder of the key lines before a tournament. <br /><br />Are there lines that aren't perfect? Perhaps - but how many black players will be able to go 12 moves deep to find a challenging move like Watson suggests? Or hide a pocket pc at the board to analyze even deeper? Which is the point of the 4 pawns I think, it takes black into very unfamiliar territory they only play once in a while, whereas white can practice in advance against computers or similar. I think Watsons review is actually pretty positive, this is a terrific book for a club player. </div><!--30323C35283329382F5D02--><br /><br />Those lines with the pawn pushes and sacs after 6...c5 are well known and dangerous at least since the 1960ies when Gunderam invented his gambit e4-e5 (after 7.d5 e6 8.Be2 exd5 9.e5) which is now in the off due to 9...Ne4. <br />But what has White against Palliser's rediscovery 6...e5 ("The 4PA doesn't prevent 6...e5" in Dangerous Weapons - The King's Indian)? </div><!--65495A43475E414B402803--><br /><br />page 39 c) 11.c5! imho there you have to look. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1236979173 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1236979173 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:28:38 GMT <b>Quote:</b><br /><div>Hi,<br /><br />Maybe its a littlebit of topic, but why do all KID players seem to have Rybka instead of Fritz? I know that Fritz values material more than Rybka. Is that the difference?<br /><br />Thanks </div><br /><br />Presumably because Rybka is much higher rated than Fritz, has three engines ('normal' engine, Dynamic and Human) and more analysis features (e.g. Monte Carlo analysis). Fritz 12 is due to be released on October 7, but I would be very surprised if it competed with Rybka 3 in either playing strength or analysis. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1248278175 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1248278175 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:04:03 GMT <b>Quote:</b><br /><div>3. Since you didn't analyze any of my moves, how can you be so sure that my attack wasn't the best way to go?  </div><br />Maybe your attack was the best way to go - I dont know! As I played through your game I just thought that it might be premature that's all. It's up to you to do the analyses in your game.<br /><br /> <b>Quote:</b><br /><div>Isn't an unclear position what I also want if I played the 4-pawns? </div><br />As I am not you I don't know for sure  <img rel=";D" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/grin.gif" alt="Grin" title="Grin" /><br /><br />All the best... <img rel="&#58;&#45;&#41;" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /> https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1245961824 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1245961824 Mon, 6 Jul 2009 02:40:32 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1245961823/0#0">boki wrote</a> on 06/25/09 at 20:30:23:<br /><div id="boki7">In the recently published KID book by Bologan the following variation in the f-pawns attack is missing<br />1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f4 0-0 6.Nf3 c5 7.d5 e6 8. Be2 exd5 9. exd5 , whis is not that rare. Any suggestions what black should play ? Maybe Golubev could help in his next update with a repertoire suggestion for black <img rel="&#58;&#58;&#41;" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" title="Roll Eyes" /> </div><!--boki7--><br /><br />In a way, the worst opening idea in the modern chess is to have a repertoire. <img rel="&#58;&#45;&#41;" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /> <br />In 2007 I looked at the following in Chess Today.<br />1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f4 O-O 6. Nf3 c5 7. d5 e6 8. Be2 exd5 9. exd5 Bf5 10. O-O Re8 11. Bd3 Qd7 12. Bxf5 Qxf5 13. Qb3 Na6 14. Qxb7 Nb4<br />Maybe, who knows.<br /><br /><br /> https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1234156086 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1234156086 Sat, 2 May 2009 08:50:53 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1234156085/0#14">Meat wrote</a> on 03/31/09 at 12:10:10:<br /><div id="Meat8">Another question about the 4 pawns:<br />I gave it a try in a recent game and was faced with this move order:<br /><br />1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f4 0-0 6. Nf3 Bg4!? 7. Be2 c5<br /><br />I intended to play the dxc5 lines against 6...c5 but could find a way to make use of black's early bishop move. So play continued<br /><br />8. d5 e6 9. 0-0 exd5 10. cxd5<br /><br />when we were back in the main line.<br />My question is: Is there any way for white to benefit from the early Bg4?  </div><!--Meat8--><br /><br /><br />How about 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f4 0-0 6. Be2!? move order?<br />or 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f4 0-0 6. Nf3 Bg4!? 7. Be3 !?       <br />1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f4 0-0 6. Nf3 Bg4!? 7.h3 is also promising.<br /><br />Check Konikowski's book for some good analysis. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1238273571 ChessPub Forum/Four Pawns https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1238273571 Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:47:25 GMT Taylor's book contains such gems as game reference Taylor - NN, Budapest subway, 2006, and some truly crappy analysis and wildly optimistic assessments. <br /><br />A great book to get the barbecue started with.