https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?board=torr Torre - ChessPub Forum en-us ChessPub Forum Mon, 17 Aug 2026 11:20:48 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 30 https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1391508650 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1391508650 Sat, 1 Sep 2018 19:59:26 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1391508650/24#24">ErictheRed wrote</a> on 09/01/18 at 14:57:43:<br /><div id="6D5A414B5C404D7A4D4C2800">Thanks Bibs.  <br /><br />For those interested, all of the Samisch games in this thread made it into my book <i>Opening Repertoire: The Modern Samisch</i>, and I spend a lot of time discussing these (and other) positional pitfalls and nuances.   </div><!--6D5A414B5C404D7A4D4C2800--><br />Good thing too that they're in the book! I for one would never have thought of checking the Torre subforum, of all places, for material on the Sämisch King's Indian. Can't recall noticing this thread earlier. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1390661189 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1390661189 Sun, 26 Jan 2014 01:24:27 GMT @RoleyPoley:<br /><br />That is very possible. The idea then would be basically to replace the Colle-Zukertort, the e3 Queen's Indian and the "Anti-Colle systems" with the ...e6 Torre, however you would run into the problem Kylemeister mentioned: While 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 is fine, 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5 is probably less appetizing than 3.e3.<br /><br />One solution is to learn the London system (2/3.Bf4) instead if Black insists on an early ...d5. The Torre and London seem to appeal to the same kinds of player. <br /><br />Another is the one Burgess advocates: Go into the Queen's Gambit with 3.c4, but choose relatively calm, controlled lines (though his g3 gambit against the Triangle and Semi-Slav breaks with that pattern). https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1333587348 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1333587348 Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:28:10 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1333587347/1#1">Seeley wrote</a> on 04/05/12 at 01:35:07:<br /><div id="7442424B425E2701"><a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1333587347/0#0">Sylvester wrote</a> on 04/05/12 at 00:55:47:<br /><div id="46787F7A1102">GM Palliser is producing a book on the Torre which is due out in June. I believe this is the only one written in English since Graham Burgess' Torre Attack. This one should be interesting! </div><!--7442424B425E2701--><br /><br />With my pedant's hat on, I think I'm right in saying that Richard Palliser is actually an IM, not a GM – nevertheless, I agree that the book should be interesting. He's a thorough and diligent author who doesn't cut corners and his work is always first-rate, in my opinion. </div><!--46787F7A1102--><br /><br />He's a GM in writing chess books  <img rel="&#58;D" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/cheesy.gif" alt="Cheesy" title="Cheesy" /><br /><br />I'm also looking forward to the book. I've lost count of the number of Palliser's books I've purchased. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1270247344 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1270247344 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:02:07 GMT Since Reverse didn't know what the Torre is, it's safe to assume he's not a titled so whatever the cons of this opening may be at the 2400+ level are irrelevant to him.  <br /><br />I've played the Torre and Colle at the expert level for decades and have done extremely well with them. The key to success with them is not in the opening itself, Black can equalize, but in understanding what to do from moves 12-20. Black is equal by move 10 because he's learned the lines, but White is better by move 20 because he has more understanding and experience of the early middlegame positions that arise.<br /><br />Below Master level, it's an extremely practical (and solid) opening that cuts down on enormous amounts of opening theory that would otherwise be needed and will serve you well your entire playing career. However, if you have good memory and you love studying opening theory then there  are plenty of sharper, and better, openings to play. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1211360989 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1211360989 Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:24:25 GMT Not obviously on Chess & Bridge so suspect not published yet.<br /><br />Random guess but looks likely that they originally contracted Bellin to do it, but that fell through for some reason (boredom perhaps <img rel=";&#45;&#41;" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />) so Palliser got roped in to cover with the logical consequent delay. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1159960985 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1159960985 Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:23:04 GMT Aftre d4-d5, c3-Nf6, Bg5-Ne4  what are whites motives in this line and how can he generate a typical kingside attack?  <img rel="&#58;&#45;/" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/undecided.gif" alt="Undecided" title="Undecided" /> https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1142498518 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1142498518 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:09:33 GMT [quote author=Uberdeker link=1142498517/0#10 date=1156413031] Apologies, I had forgotten your previous post. There you expressed your distaste for Black's raids on -b2. But it must be said that it is White's only weak spot in an otherwise ultra-solid position, and in my opinion, putting it under pressure is Black's best chance of unbalancing the game early on. [/quote]<br /><br />You might be right here, but I do feel that White is getting decent compensation for the pawn, and more than ordinary precision is required by Black in order to demonstrate otherwise.<br /><br />Playing h6/g5/d6 is another way to unbalance things, and is probably the one I would prefer.  This is simply a matter of taste.<br /><br />[quote]But of course, there's nothing wrong with accepting an equal and slightly dry middlegame with the intention of slowly outplaying the opponent. With this idea in mind, you might consider the system based on the moves ...c5/...b6/...Bb7/...Be7/...d6/...Ktbd7 and in some cases ...Rac8/...Rc7/...Qa8 [i]à la[/i] Larsen.[/quote]<br /><br />This is more what I had in mind, although I'd probably even play d5 if given the chance, since via this move order it is unlikely that White can still transpose favorably into a QGD.<br /><br />My main objection is:<br /><br />1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 c5 4.Nc3 -- White scores miserably from this position, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason why.  I'll have to think some more about it. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1130225671 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1130225671 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:44:28 GMT I remember taking a look at that book.  My impression was that it advocates a system which is inferior on its face.   In general terms:  suppose Black plays a typical setup starting with the moves  ...d5, ...Nf6, ...e6, ...Be7, ...Nbd7 and ...c5. In such a case, Qc2 plus 0-0-0 by White should hand Black a ready-made "avalanche" type attack, beginning with ...c4 (with tempo!), ...b5, etc. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1113734230 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1113734230 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 01:43:00 GMT hmm, so if you play ...e6, are you going to play for ...e5 later, isn't c5 the way to play? https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1096046225 ChessPub Forum/Torre https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1096046225 Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:11:57 GMT Thanks a lot Reyes!<br />I would not have expressed it better <img rel=";&#45;&#41;" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />