https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?board=veres Veresov - ChessPub Forum en-us ChessPub Forum Sat, 16 May 2026 04:54:04 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 30 https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1619426517 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1619426517 Mon, 3 May 2021 08:30:07 GMT Whether or not you like Williams' treatment, the advantage of his approach is he seems to take openings like this for what they are - a reasonably viable surprise weapon with a bunch of traps for the unwary. This seems a more realistic approach than a more earnest task of trying to demonstrate a pull in every line ,which I get the feeling from this discussion is more in line with Lubbe's intent. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1580124026 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1580124026 Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:34:21 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1580124026/5#5">RoleyPoley wrote</a> on 01/29/20 at 10:26:23:<br /><div id="65697A63576278573E314860677C656961640800"><a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1580124026/4#4">XChess1971 wrote</a> on 01/28/20 at 00:40:59:<br /><div id="0A113A372121636B65635201"><a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1580124026/3#3">an ordinary chessplayer wrote</a> on 01/27/20 at 23:04:07:<br /><div id="646167606B6B607133340502">2...d5 must be the equalizing move. Other moves are transpositional, black might consider them if more winning chances are needed.<br /><br />In the Lugovskoy - Timofeev game, 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 c5 3.d5 e5, Lugovskoy's 4.dxe6 looks unmotivated. The normal 4.e4 gives white good chances of an edge. There is also 4.Bd2!?, shades of a Carlsen - Aronian encounter which was discussed on this forum. <img rel=";&#45;&#41;" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> </div><!--65697A63576278573E314860677C656961640800--><br /><br />We are not looking at 2.Bf4. We are looking at 2.Nc3. That's a different story. The Carlsen - Aronian game you are saying I guess is this one...<br /><br /> </div><!--0A113A372121636B65635201--><br /><br />2...d5 is usually the recommended move against 2.Nc3 isnt it? As white is often thought to be preparing Bg5 and playing the Veresov. <br /><br />White's tastes may now be changing as 3. Bf4 is becoming a popular choice. Sometimes we see white play the second and third moves in reverse order depending on what black plays.  </div><!--646167606B6B607133340502--><br /><br />Exactly! On 2.Bf4 c5 changes the whole structure especially if white answers with 3.d5 and black goes for 3...Qb6. That's the real reason why I believe until structure is defined you can't mix them up! https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1449584113 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1449584113 Sat, 16 Jan 2016 00:45:21 GMT Helpfully, the Laznicka play does accord pretty much exactly with my advice in #reply 8. <br />Well, for anyone who has spent time in Tromp land, it's familiar and obvious. For me, around 25 years there. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1428969699 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1428969699 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:01:39 GMT    Timur Gareev versus Ray Robson in the last round of the US Championship in St. Louis, Missouri, Gareev played a line from the Veresov. Here, I hope, is the score:<br /><br />1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bg5 c5 4. Bf6 gf6 5. e4 de4 6. dc5 Qa5 7. Bb5 Bd7 8. a4 a6 9. Ra3 Nc6 10. Nge2 e6 11. b4 Qb4 12. Rb3 Qa5 13. O-O ab5 14. Ne4 Be7 15. ab5 Ne5 16. N2c3 Rc8 17. Qd4 Qc7 18. c6 bc6 19. b6 c5 20. Nf6 Bf6 21. Qf4 Qd8 22. Ne4 Ng6 23. Qf3 Be5 24. Rd1 Qe7 25. b7 Rb8 26. Rb6 O-O 27. g3 f5 28. Ng5 Bc7 29. Rd7 Qd7 30. Re6 Bd8 31. Qb3 Kh8 32. Qc3 Qd4 33. Nf7<br /><br />        The commentators made a lot of comments about Gareev's choice of moves here. I watched the game at <a href="http://www.chess24.com" target="_blank">www.chess24.com</a>, and I think you can still watch the whole days games with Yasser Seirawan, Jennifer Shahade, and Maurice Ashly commentating. <br /><br />    Gareev also played at the tournament in conjuction with the Hawaii Chess Festival last month. The above game is fun to go through, and I thought he was doing better early and into the middle, than the commentators stated. There was some venom in his positions.  I thought, for instance, that Gareev could get a piece back on move 23 with either Nxf6+, or even Qxf6. He chose not to, and his game went down the tube soon.<br /><br />    I play the Veresov sometimes, and have had decent results with it. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1143115404 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1143115404 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:47:45 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1143115404/17#17">Mainline_Novelty wrote</a> on 11/17/14 at 22:06:16:<br /><div id="406C6463616463685243627B686179740D03">During math class today (I'm such a good student) I was wondering about 4 Qd3 h6 5 Bxf6!? Nxf6 6 e4 (getting the break in before Black prevents it with ...c6/...Qa5; i.e. 5 Bh4(?!) c6! when 6 e4? loses to Noah's Ark-esque tactics) 6...de 7 Nxe4 Nxe4 8 Qxe4, although admittedly I haven't really looked at this seriously at all yet. Sure the position's relatively simplified and Black has the b-pair, but I was thinking I could stop ...0-0 with the Bd3/Qe4 battery and try to hold up ...c5 and ...e5 with some sort of d-file pressure. From what I can tell, it's fairly unexplored (which is what I'm looking for in a surprise weapon), and I don't think White is worse (White doesn't seem to have lost this position in practice yet, although of course that stat isn't so useful), although the question is if I can play for a win from such a position.. </div><!--406C6463616463685243627B686179740D03--><br />It's interesting, but not groundbreaking. If both players know their stuff, the game can develop itself in the following direction:<br /><div><object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://chessflash.com/releases/latest/ChessFlash.swf" width="100%" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://chessflash.com/releases/latest/ChessFlash.swf" /><param name="flashvars" value='orientation=H&tabmode=true&light=FFE7AC&dark=0072b9&bordertext=494949&headerforeground=ffffff&mtforeground=666666&mtvariations=FF0000&mtmainline=000000&mtbackground=ffffff&dark=AF7A53&background=ffffff&pgndata=[Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "2014.11.18"] [Round "?"] [White "?"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [ECO "D01"] [Annotator "user"] [PlyCount "57"] [SourceDate "2014.11.18"] 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bg5 Nbd7 4. Qd3 h6 5. Bxf6 Nxf6 6. e4 dxe4 7. Nxe4 c6 $5 8. Nf3 (8. Nxf6+ exf6 9. O-O-O Be7 10. g3 O-O 11. Bh3 Qa5 12. Kb1 Rd8 13. Bxc8 Raxc8 14. Ne2 Bf8) 8... Nxe4 9. Qxe4 Qa5+ 10. c3 Bf5 11. Qe3 e6 12. Bc4 (12. Ne5 Bd6 13. Nc4 Qc7 14. g3 O-O 15. 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Jonny Hector is featured heavily, believe it or not  <img rel="8-&#41;" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/cool.gif" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /> . I don't have the DVD here but I can tell you which games they are. One of the games has Black play Bb4 and white delaying e4. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1362489789 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1362489789 Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:28:05 GMT It's also quite possible to end up in the Veresov after 1.Nc3. With so many ways to get there, it's worth having a plan to meet it as Black. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1306468710 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1306468710 Fri, 27 May 2011 09:44:01 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1306468709/0#0">Kristi wrote</a> on 05/27/11 at 03:58:29:<br /><div id="724B504A4D5014584F4A535852523904">Is there a better way for White to get an advantage? </div><!--724B504A4D5014584F4A535852523904--><br />White should not play 2.Nc3 if he/sh4 wants to have an advantage. Having that said the following course looks more interesting to me than 7.Re1 :<br /><br />Pruess,D (2422) - Greet,A (2440) [D01]<br />WMSG Rapid Pair-1 Beijing (5), 10.10.2008<br /><br />1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bg5 c6 4.Qd2 Bf5 5.f3 Nbd7 6.0-0-0 e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.h4 h6 9.Bf4 b5 10.Kb1 Nb6 11.e3 Nc4 12.Qe1 Qa5 13.Bd3 Bb4 14.Nge2 Nd7 15.e4 Ndb6 16.a3 Bxa3 17.bxa3 Nxa3+ 18.Kc1 Nac4 19.Nb1 b4 20.exd5 cxd5 21.Bxg6 fxg6 22.Ng3 0-0 23.Qxe6+ Kh7 24.h5 Rf6 25.hxg6+ Rxg6 26.Qe7 Re6 27.Rxh6+ Rxh6 28.Bxh6 Rg8 29.Bf4 1-0<br /><br /><div><object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://chessflash.com/releases/latest/ChessFlash.swf" width="100%" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://chessflash.com/releases/latest/ChessFlash.swf" /><param name="flashvars" value='orientation=H&tabmode=true&light=FFE7AC&dark=0072b9&bordertext=494949&headerforeground=ffffff&mtforeground=666666&mtvariations=FF0000&mtmainline=000000&mtbackground=ffffff&dark=AF7A53&background=ffffff&pgndata=1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bg5 c6 4.Qd2 Bf5 5.f3 Nbd7 6.O-O-O e6 7.g4 Bg6 8.h4 h6 9.Bf4 b5 10.Kb1 Nb6 11.e3 Nc4 12.Qe1 Qa5 13.Bd3 Bb4 14.Nge2 Nd7 15.e4 Ndb6 16.a3 Bxa3 17.bxa3 Nxa3+ 18.Kc1 Nac4 19.Nb1 b4 20.exd5 cxd5 21.Bxg6 fxg6 22.Ng3 O-O 23.Qxe6+ Kh7 24.h5 Rf6 25.hxg6+ Rxg6 26.Qe7 Re6 27.Rxh6+ Rxh6 28.Bxh6 Rg8 29.Bf4 1-0'/></object><a href="http://www.jesseo.com/chesspublishing/pgn.php?pgndata=1.d4%20Nf6%202.Nc3%20d5%203.Bg5%20c6%204.Qd2%20Bf5%205.f3%20Nbd7%206.O-O-O%20e6%207.g4%20Bg6%208.h4%20h6%209.Bf4%20b5%2010.Kb1%20Nb6%2011.e3%20Nc4%2012.Qe1%20Qa5%2013.Bd3%20Bb4%2014.Nge2%20Nd7%2015.e4%20Ndb6%2016.a3%20Bxa3%2017.bxa3%20Nxa3+%2018.Kc1%20Nac4%2019.Nb1%20b4%2020.exd5%20cxd5%2021.Bxg6%20fxg6%2022.Ng3%20O-O%2023.Qxe6+%20Kh7%2024.h5%20Rf6%2025.hxg6+%20Rxg6%2026.Qe7%20Re6%2027.Rxh6+%20Rxh6%2028.Bxh6%20Rg8%2029.Bf4%201-0">Download game in pgn format</a></div><br /> https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1300162186 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1300162186 Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:59:14 GMT Answering Tony's question: Yes, the book makes reference to both, Chesspublishing and GM Éric Prié at some places. https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1260105332 ChessPub Forum/Veresov https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1260105332 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:41:15 GMT <a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1260105331/4#4">Matemax wrote</a> on 12/08/09 at 09:49:55:<br /><div id="103C2938303C255D05"><a href="https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1260105331/3#3">Markovich wrote</a> on 12/08/09 at 02:30:52:<br /><div id="14382B32362F303A315906">I respectfully submit that the Verresov is not "important."  Nor is the Tromp, when it comes to that.  Seems like we're a little hard up. </div><!--103C2938303C255D05--><br />Importance comes from the point of view - for some of us Tromp is the most important thing in the world ;for others chess is just something stealing your time. But what's the meaning of life? <img rel="&#58;o" src="https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/shocked.gif" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" /><br /> </div><!--14382B32362F303A315906--><br /><br />I can not agree anymore. After my family, finance & career, Tromp is the most important thing in life!