Holbox wrote on 06/19/07 at 22:48:55:


Do you mean

"1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bf4 Bg7

[4...Nh5 5.Bg5 Bg7 (5...h6 6.Be3) 6.h3 This was the line I was referring to in the response to Willempie.]

5.e3 Nh5 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bh4 g5 8.Ne5"   ?

In retrospect, there might have been some confusion earlier when the first few moves were not included.

Indeed that ...Nh5 idea looks interesting. I also like to point out, that White does not have to play the 150-Attack: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Bf4 0-0 5.Qd2 postponing e2-e4. Then ...Bg4 makes much less sense.

Willempie wrote on 06/19/07 at 09:42:16:


After 5...Bg7, I would prefer to play the more flexible 6.h3.  One of my ideas after 6.Be3 is to play for h3 and g4, followed perhaps by Ne5.  (Bg2 might even be a possibility later.)  The g4 idea can also be dangerous against an ...f5 stonewall attempt.  Another idea is that Qd2 can prevent kingside castling, demonstrating ...h6 as a weakness.

Willempie wrote on 06/19/07 at 08:09:13:


I much prefer 6.Be3, which I think is more in the Barry spirit of things.    Black's development seems a little awkward here to me.  I don't think the creative White player will be too much dispirited by the slight disruption in the configuration of his pieces.   

You might want to check out an old archived online article on the 150 and Barry Attacks written by Andrew Martin many years ago:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000306110513/internetchess.com/columns/amartin/150b...

The precise move order recommended here (5...Bg4!) is often ignored in the available literature on the Barry Attack (...Bg4 is often given after castling), so it's worth checking out for either side.  Also Blatny-E. Ragozin is a simply just a very nice game to play through.

I hate the Barry Attack....I keep losing against it.... Can someone recommend a good line?

I wanted to let you know about a game I recently played on a weekend tournament. The opponent did not play too well, but nevertheless it is a nice example for a fine Barry victory! I especially enjoyed the mate

Wisnewski,C (2417) - Kock,S (2193) [D00]
Glueckstadt op (3), 19.08.2006

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bf4 a6 5.e3 Bg7 6.Be2 0-0 7.Ne5 Nbd7 8.h4 c5 9.h5 cxd4 10.exd4 Qa5 11.hxg6 hxg6 12.Qd2 Re8 13.Bh6 Bh8 14.0-0-0 b5 15.Qf4 b4 16.Nxd5 Nxe5 17.dxe5 Nxd5 18.Rxd5 Qxa2 19.Bc4 Qa1+ 20.Kd2 Qxh1 21.Qxf7+ Kxf7 22.Rd7# 1-0

Urusov, Gary Lane: "Ideas behind modern chess openings" has 14 pages on the Barry

I am very curious as to what the time control of the Suttercane vs Tyomkin game was.

Could it have been played in the Master's challenge on WCN perhaps. Indeed was it played on the WCN server at all.

Regards

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Paul Hopwood: "Hebden still has occassional outings with THE BARRY".

Paul, this is not correct! GM Hebden is playing THE BARRY each time his opponent allow to play the Barry Attack!

GM Hebden is having great success with THE BARRY.
Only in the critical system (9...Nfd7, 11...Be6) he is waiting for his first victory, after a row of draws!
He should give 13.Re1...a try, instead of 13.Qb3.
On the other hand: why not 10.Nc6...instead of 10.Nd5..

Greetings

SutterCane

Glenn Snow's 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d5

I was very surprised that a Grandmaster came up with this line in an internet game:

SutterCane vs GM Tyomkin (16 Feb 2004)

5.e5 Ne4 6.Ne4 de 7.Ng5 c5 8.Bb5 Bd7 9.Bc4 o-o 10.e6 fe 11.Be6 Kh8 12.Be3 Qe8 13.dc Bc6 14.Bd4 Nd7 15.Bd7 Qd7 16.Bg7 Kg7 17.Qd7 Bd7 18.o-o-o Bf5 19.Rhe1 rad8 20.Rd8 and BLACK resigned!

Greetings

SutterCane

In the Hebden-Nunn game Black did go back to f6 and Hebden eventually answered it with Qd2 (instead of Ne5 repeating).  Summerscale mentions 14...Nc6!? 15.0-0-0 in his notes to the game, is that what Black should try to improve?  For the record here is the game:
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.e3 0-0 6.Be2 c5 7.Ne5 cxd4 8.exd4 Nfd7 9.Nf3 Nf6 10.Ne5 Nfd7 11.Nf3 Nf6 12.Qd2 Bg4 (11...Bf5!?) 13.Ne5 Bxe2 14.Qxe2 Nh5 15.Be3 Nc6 16.0-0-0 Rc8 17.f4 Nf6 18.g4 Qa5 19.a3 Nxe5? 20.fxe5 Rxc3 21.exf6 Rfc8 22.Kb1! Rxc2 23.Rd2 1-0.

Hebden beat Nunn with the retreat 9.Nf3 at Hastings 97/98.  The game is analysed in "a killer chess opening repertoire".  I'm not sure why he decided to deviate.

[quote author=RedIvan  link=1041739528/0#11 date=1078091020]Series question: What exactly is the Barry Attack?

Is it a kind of Veresov?

Thanks.[/quote]

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bf4. If Black doesn't know what he's doing then White can get a very crude but effective K-side attack going with moves like Be2, Ne5, & h4-h5.

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7!? 4.e4 d5!?.  I checked out this line using a search of the big database in ChessBase 8.0 and came up with 6 recent wins for White (all rated at least 2300+; Hebden included here) and the only reply was 5.e5. I guess that tells us something.

Yeah, I think you have a point.  It seems that white's center is more difficult to maintain than I thought.  After 7.c4 Qd6 8. Be2, I plans with an early c5 will usually lead early simplification with equality.  Though, I think Black can play for more by keeping the tension with a plan based on ...Nc6 and ....Bg4 as in this game:

[Event "RLPF-op"]
[Site "Herxheim"]
[Date "1993.??.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Leuranguer,Yannick"]
[Black "Turner,Tassilo"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B02"]
1.e4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.exd5 Nxd5 4.d4 g6 5.Nf3 Bg7 6.Nxd5 Qxd5 7.c4 Qd6 8.Be2 0-0 
9.0-0 Bg4 10.Be3 e6 11.Qb3 Nc6 12.Rad1 Rfd8 13.d5 exd5 14.Rxd5 Qb4 15.Qxb4 Nxb4 16.Rb5 Nc2 
17.Bf4 b6 18.Bxc7 Rd7 19.Be5  1/2
(Note the position arrived from the Alekhine's Defense, so this may be of relevance to players of 2.Nc3.)

Isn't white trouble after 19...a6?  White made natural moves in this game and seemed to have no advantage.  It seemed to me like black had everything covered.  Another idea for black after 8.Be2 is the disruptive 8...Qb4+.  9.Kf1 and 9.Qd2 Nc6 look good for black.  Of course, the test is 9.Bd2 but after ...Qxb2 10. Rb1 Qa3 does white have enough compensation?

If found a couple of games of Hebden's against Stuart Conquest and Luke McShane (Perhaps not that surprising since McShane plays the Grunfeld and the positions of the above variation are similar).

Hebden's plan with 5.e4 Ne4 (otherwise it seems like black gets squashed) 6. Nxe4 dxe4 7. Ng5 looks convincing upon first impression:

[Event "BCF-ch 85th"]
[Site "Torquay"]
[Date "1998.08.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Hebden,Mark"]
[Black "Conquest,Stuart"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "A48"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d5 5.e5 Ne4 6.Nxe4 dxe4 7.Ng5 c5 8.e6 Bxe6 
9.Nxe6 fxe6 10.dxc5 Qa5+ 11.c3 Nd7 12.Bd2 Qxc5 13.Qb3 0-0 14.Be3 Qf5 15.0-0-0 Nc5 16.Qb5 Rac8 
17.Rd2 a6 18.Qb4 a5 19.Qb5 a4 20.Qb4 Rc7 21.Bb5 Nd3+ 22.Bxd3 exd3 23.Rhd1 Qd5 24.Qxa4 b5 
25.Qb3 Qxg2 26.Qxe6+ Kh8 27.Rxd3 Qa8 28.Bd4 Bxd4 29.Rxd4 Ra7 30.Kb1 Kg7 31.Qe5+ Rf6 32.Rd7 Rxd7 
33.Rxd7 Qh1+ 34.Kc2 Kh6 35.Qe3+ g5 36.Qh3+ Kg6 37.Qd3+ Rf5 38.Rxe7 Qf3 39.Re6+ Kh5 40.Qd6 Kg4 
41.Kb3 Qxf2 42.Rh6 Rf7 43.h3+ Kf3 44.Qd5+ Kg3 45.Qxg5+ Kh2 46.Qe5+ Kg2 47.Qe4+ Kh2 48.Qc2   
1-0

[Event "Iona Tech Masters"]
[Site "Kilkenny"]
[Date "1998.11.27"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Hebden,Mark"]
[Black "McShane,Luke J"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "A48"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d5 5.e5 Ne4 6.Nxe4 dxe4 7.Ng5 c5 8.d5 Bxe5 
9.Nxe4 0-0 10.c3 Nd7 11.Bh6 Re8 12.Bb5 e6 13.0-0 exd5 14.Qxd5 a6 15.Bc4 Qe7 16.Ng5 Bxh2+ 
17.Kxh2 Ne5 18.Rae1 Ng4+ 19.Kg1 Be6 20.Nxe6 Qh4 21.Bf4 b5 22.Bg3  1-0

Hebden is a good example to look to, since he is one of the leading exponents of the Barry Attack.

One question that I had concerning the Barry Attack is:  1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7!? 4.e4 d5!?.  Does anyway have an idea on the best way to play against this?
 
5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxd5 Qxd5 7. c4 looks good to me.

I usually prefer not to move my Queen to d2 in the Barry attack because it is usually harder to transfer it near the vicinity of Black's kingside for an attack, remember the Bg4,Qf3,Qh3 idea for example.

In both Lane and Summerscale's books they say the Barry Attack is used against the KID. Why is that? After black skips d6 and goes to d5, isn't that really a Grunfeld? If black plays d6, white is recommended to play e4 and switch the game into a 150 Attack against the Pirc.

I open this topic for fans of THE BARRY ATTACK.

There is a lot to discuss...

SutterCane