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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #26 - 09/27/05 at 13:12:48
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Hello Smyslov_Fan,

about Bjarnason,O - Del Rio Angelis,S Port Erin IOM 2003 in 15 move Bg5 avoiding black castle seems logic but others moves can make a clear progress for white: 15.Ng5 Be7 and f6 and O-O-O ideas, or 15.Kg2 (to 16.Rh1) Bb5 (or 15...O-O-O and 16...Be7) 16.Bb5+ Qb5 if 17.Rh1 Rh1 18.Qh1 Qd3 only makes problems for white, 

but there is an "interesting" variation:

11.b3!? Bb5 12.Bxb5+ Qxb5 13.g4 Ne7 14.Ba3 Nac6 15.Bc5 Qa5? 16.b4 Qd8 17.b5 Na5 18.Ne3 ... etc in Jonkman - Abeln, Haarlem 2005.
but 15...Ng6! 16.Bxf8 Nxf8 17.Ne3 Ng6= leaves nothing for white.

or 13.Ne3 Ne3 14.Be3 Nc6 15.Ng5 Be7 16.Nh3 (with Nf4-h5 ideas) 16...O-O-O 17.Qg4  Rdg8 in complex for both sides, in Wang Hao - Potkin, Moscow 2005

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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #25 - 09/27/05 at 12:40:07
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Hello Smyslov_Fan...I recorded one game given in Neven and Psakhis's books: 11. g4 Ne7 12.Nfe1 Bb5 13.Nd3 h5 14.gxh5 Nf5 15.Be3 Nc4 Sveshnikov-Dolmatov,1988 ( 15...Nc6 was given by Daniel Boix: Shabalov,A - Shirov,A Edmonton CAN 2005 )
  
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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #24 - 09/27/05 at 03:42:52
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Daniel, 

12.b3 h5 13.h3 hxg4 14.hxg4 Ng6 15.Bg5 Bb5 16.Rc1 Nc6 17.Nfe1 Be7 18.Bxe7 Kxe7 19.Bxb5 Qxb5 20.Ng2 Rh3 21.f4 Qb6 22.Qd2 Rah8 23.Rcd1 Nh4 24.Qe2 Nxg2 25.Qxg2 Qa5 26.Rf3 Rxf3 27.Qxf3 Qxa2 0:1 Bjarnason,O - Del Rio Angelis,S Port Erin IOM 2003 (from your earlier post)

Je croix que la partie Bjarnason-Del Rio est peut-etre meillieurs pour les blancs.  Le coup 15.Bg5 (15.Cg5) n'a pas du point.  Apres 15.Kg2 (Rg2), et puis Tf-h1, les noirs ne sont pas si bien.  (It's been a long time since I tried to write in French.  I still read Le Monde and Europe Echecs, but reading and writing are two different skill sets.  If I made a mistake in my French, please let me know, but be patient with me. Embarrassed) 

You requested serious, deep study, and I've only looked at the position without the aid of the computer for a few minutes.  Yet I do prefer White in this line.   

White should be careful not to trade off his dark squared bishop as easily as he did here. Perhaps he also made a mistake in trading off the light squared Bishop.  I'm not sure.

Do you know if there have been any other tests of this line apart from the blunderful game Bjarnason played?


12.b3 h5 13.h3 hxg4 14.hxg4 Ng6 15.Bg5 Bb5 16.Rc1 Nc6 17.Nfe1 Be7 18.Bxe7 Kxe7 19.Bxb5 Qxb5 20.Ng2 Rh3 21.f4 Qb6 22.Qd2 Rah8 23.Rcd1 Nh4 24.Qe2 Nxg2 25.Qxg2 Qa5 26.Rf3 Rxf3 27.Qxf3 Qxa2 0:1 Bjarnason,O - Del Rio Angelis,S Port Erin IOM 2003
  
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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #23 - 09/25/05 at 14:57:47
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Hi dom, you're wellcome...!

Interesting idea 11.Ne3!?

10...Na5  11.Ne3  Nxe3 [very logical, 11...Ne7?! looks very strange... I mean black loses a lot of time your are blocking black bishop and losing a tempo]

12.fxe3 Be7 [Avoding some tactical tricks like Ng5]

13.Qe1 [seems quite logical here, going to g3 and planing e4 sometimes]

[but 13.Nd2 looks very pasive, and loses central control, specialy on e5,
13...0-0 [not Bb5 it can be played later, so I would finish developament]  14.Bd3  Bb5... etc.

(after 13.Qe1) 13...0-0 

if 13...Bb5 14.Bxb5+ Qxb5 15.Qg3 0-0 16.e4! Kh8 17.Bg5  f6 18.ef6 gf6 19.Bf4 and now 19...de4 20.Ne5 etc...

14.Qg3 f5 

if 14...Bb5 15.Bxb5 15...Qxb5 16.e4! again Kh8 17.Bg5 f6 18.exf6 gxf6 19.Bf4 Rg8 20.Qh3  dxe4 21.Ne5 with attack .. 21...Rg7  22.Bh6!

15.exf6  Rxf6 16.Bd2 Bb5 (16...Nc6 it's safe 17.Bd3 Be8 with Bg6 idea)  and so on...

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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #22 - 09/25/05 at 10:54:10
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Hello Daniel,...and thanks for the games.
Surprise for me: Shirov playing the French. On chessbase online database, he has only one game with the French every year...Maybe he's still working in his preparation versus Korchnoi Smiley
The line 10.oo h5?! (instead of Na5) was played last year. Shirov-Korchnoi, Drammen 2004. and Shirov had surely analyzed the game to play the variation on each side of the board.
My best line for White versus Na5 is: 11.Ne3!? (the idea is to play Nxe3-fxe3 which gives good protection to d4 pawn and a rather "poor" dark square bishop)  Ne7 (11...Bb5?? 12.Bxb5+ Qxf5 13.Nxf5 exf5 14.e6 fxe6 15.Ng5; 11...Nxe3 12.fxe3 Be7 (12...Bb5 13.Bxb5 Qxb5 14.Ng5) 13.Nd2 Bb5 14.Bxb5 Qxb5 15.Qg4 g6 16.e4) and now White improves the g4-line (12.b3;12.Bd3 maybe drawish lines): 12.Ne1 Bb5 13.Bxb5+ Qxb5 14.f4 (f4-f5 and so on is the breakthrough plan) Nac6 15.Ne1-c2! (knight comeback to go to the better position of the knights) g6 16.a4 Qb6 17.b4 Nf5 (17...Nxb4? 18.a5 Qb5 19.Nxb4 Qxb4 20.Ba3) 18.Nxf5 gxf5 19.b5 Na5 (19...Nb4 20.a5) 20.Ba3 or 16...Qb3 17.Rf3 Qb6 18.b4 Nf5 19.Nxf5 gxf5 20.b5 Na5 21.Ba3
  
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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #21 - 09/24/05 at 17:22:39
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Smyslov_Fan,

Have you got any improvement for white after 10.0-0 Na5!?...?

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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #20 - 09/24/05 at 10:54:20
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Daniel, 

What a surprise that Sveshnikov leads the way for White in this variation.  Tongue 

This looks too good for White.  Maybe Black had better consider improvements as early as move 6.
6...Nge7 doesn't seem to be quite good enough thanks to your lines (and others' analysis).
  
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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #19 - 09/24/05 at 06:06:34
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Hi dom,

I found only one game with: 11...a5 12.Bd2 ab 13.ab Qa6 14.b5! Qb5 15.Nc3 Ra1 16.Nb5 Rd1+ 17.Kd1 Nb8 18.Ke2 Kd7 19.Rb1 with clear advantatge, Sveshnikov - Grosar, Celje 2003

Maybe ... only maybe we are going to the wrong way or direction ... I propuse study the following... study seriously the following games:


1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Bd7 6.Be2 Nge7 7.Na3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Nf5 9.Nc2 Qb6 10.0-0 Na5!? 11.g4

[11.b3 Bb5 12.Bxb5+ Qxb5 13.Ne3 Nxe3 14.Bxe3 Nc6 15.Ng5 Be7 16.Nh3 0-0-0 17.Qg4 Rdg8 18.Nf4 Kb8 19.Rfd1 Ba3 20.Bc1 Qa6 21.Nd3 h5 22.Qf4 g5 23.Qxf7 Nxd4 24.Bxa3 Qxa3 25.b4 b6 26.Nc5 bxc5 27.bxc5 Ne2+ 28.Kh1 Qa6 29.Rxd5 Rf8 30.Qd7 Qc8 31.c6 exd5 32.Qxd5 Qc7 33.h4 Ka8 34.hxg5 Nf4 35.Qc4 Ng6 36.Re1 Nxe5 37.Qd5 Nxc6 38.Rc1 Rc8 39.g6 Rhd8 40.Qe4 Rd6 41.f4 Rd4 0:1 Wang Hao - Potkin,V Moscow RUS 2005]

11...Ne7 12.Nfe1

[12.Nh4 0-0-0 13.Kh1 Bb5 14.Bd2 Bxe2 15.Qxe2 Nc4 16.Bb4 Ng6 17.Bxf8 Rdxf8 18.Nxg6 hxg6 19.b3 Na5 20.f4 Nc6 21.Rad1 Rh4 22.f5 gxf5 23.gxf5 Rfh8 24.fxe6 fxe6 25.Rf7 Qd8 26.Rf2 Qg5 27.b4 Kb8 28.a4 Ne7 29.Rg1 Qh6 30.a5 Nf5 31.a6 Rh3 32.Rgg2 Rxh2+ 33.Rxh2 Ng3+ 34.Kg1 Nxe2+ 35.Rxe2 Qc1+ 36.Re1 Qg5+ 37.Rg2 Qh4 38.axb7 g5 39.Ree2 Qh1+ 40.Kf2 Rf8+ 41.Ke3 Qc1+ 42.Rd2 g4 0:1 Ekstroem - Kinderman, Bern 1995;

12.b3 h5 13.h3 hxg4 14.hxg4 Ng6 15.Bg5 Bb5 16.Rc1 Nc6 17.Nfe1 Be7 18.Bxe7 Kxe7 19.Bxb5 Qxb5 20.Ng2 Rh3 21.f4 Qb6 22.Qd2 Rah8 23.Rcd1 Nh4 24.Qe2 Nxg2 25.Qxg2 Qa5 26.Rf3 Rxf3 27.Qxf3 Qxa2 0:1 Bjarnason,O - Del Rio Angelis,S Port Erin IOM 2003]

12...Bb5

[12...h5 13.gxh5 Bb5 14.Bxb5+ Qxb5 15.Ne3 Nac6 16.b3 g6 17.Ng4 0-0-0 18.h6 Nf5 19.Bg5 Rd7 20.Nf6 Rc7 21.Ne8 Rd7 22.Nf6 Rc7 23.Ne8 1/2:1/2 Shirov,A - Del Rio Angelis,S Caleta ENG 2005]

13.Nd3 h5! 14.gxh5 [14.b4 Nac6 15.a4 Bc4 16.a5 Qc7 17.gxh5 Bb3 18.Be3 Nxd4 19.Nxd4 Bxd1 20.Nb5 Qc2 21.Nd6+ Kd7 22.Rfxd1 Qxe2 23.Nxf7 Nf5 0:1 Hendriks,W - Barsov,A Genova ITA 2005]

14...Nf5 15.Be3 Nc6 16.a4 Bc4 17.b4 Qd8 18.Bg4 Nxe3 19.fxe3 Qg5 20.h3 Rxh5 21.Qf3 0-0-0 22.Qxf7 Rxh3 23.Qxe6+ Kb8 24.Rxf8 Rg3+ 25.Kf2 Rxg4 26.Qd6+ Ka8 27.Rxd8+ Nxd8 28.Qd7 Rg2+ 29.Ke1 Qg3+ 30.Kd1 Qf3+ 0:1 Shabalov,A - Shirov,A Edmonton CAN 2005



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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #18 - 09/24/05 at 02:45:52
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Hello Daniel...

I checked your analysis...you're right: good game for White.   

Maybe Black must try 11...a5
  
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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #17 - 09/23/05 at 04:25:01
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Hi dom!

Maybe try 17.Ng5 h6 18.Nh3 Nf5 [18...Nc6 19.Nf4! Nb4 20.Nce6! and Qh5+ is crushing] 19.Nf4 Qc6 20.g4 Ne7 21.Nh5 with idea of f4-f5 

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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #16 - 09/22/05 at 14:51:38
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There's another thread going on now which is also discussing this Wade variation idea (...Bd7, ...Qb6...Bb5 either before or after ....cd4) in the Advance Variation.

Thanks, BK for bringing this up, for otherwise I woulda missed the a3-b4 idea mentioned in an earlier thread! Cheesy
  
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Reply #15 - 09/22/05 at 10:20:15
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Well im a french player and i enjoy the f6 idea alot. I dont aimed for closed postions in the french ever! I mean i play it because it is a solid way to set up before ripping things open. with c5 or f6 depending and somtimes both. 

The advance is not somthing to worry about. i think that people are just scared of things they dont quite understand. The advance is somthing that is coming back into popularity but not anything compared  to the classical or tarrasch but it is making somthign of a statement. While on USCL i saw the young GM Nakamura bring it out and score a well fought win. 

But not every one is as good as Hikaru
  
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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #14 - 04/23/05 at 14:20:29
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Yes 5...Nh6 is a good answer to 5.Be3. I suppose the point I was trying to make is that by playing 4...Qb6, Black has not yet revealed his cards. He may well continue with the Bd7-b5 plan, or happily transpose back into main lines with ...Nc6 having avoided (for whatever reason) Kupreichik's variation. Hence, if after 4...Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 you like to play 6.Be2 or Bd3 (rather than 6.a3), my recommendation of 4...Qb6 5.a3!? is not a wise choice because 5...Nc6 6.Nf3 transposes to the 6.a3 variation just mentioned. In contrast, the slightly less ambitious 4...Qb6 5.Nf3 Bd7 6.a3 would avoid any unwanted transpositions since 6...Nc6?! 7.b4! is considered inferior for Black. But if you don't mind 4...Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.a3 after all, then I think 4...Qb6 5.a3!? is a good bet for White (check out the Nge2!? idea).
  
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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #13 - 04/19/05 at 23:41:02
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Niel's April update has a nice suggestion with respect to avoiding Kuprechik and yet play 4...Nc3. (Well not exactly avoiding) He sort of suggests to play 5...Nh6. If 6.Bxh6 white will be a tempo down in Bxh6 lines!
  
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Re: Volkov's advanced French
Reply #12 - 04/17/05 at 18:09:44
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At the latest 4NCL weekend, I tried my own suggestion of 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Qb6 5.a3, and was slightly surprised by 5...Nc6. After 6.Nf3 we were back into a main line. I thought this was the kind of thing that 4...Qb6 players would try to steer clear of! Then it occured to me that 4...Qb6 can also be a way of avoiding Kupreichik's variation (4...Nc6 5.Be3!?), since 4...Qb6 5.Be3? allows 5...Qxb2. Although 4...Nc6 5.Be3 isn't necessarily anything to be scared of, if Black prefers the lines with ...Nc6 and ...Qb6 in the French Advance, then he may as well play ...Qb6 on move 4 and cut down on opening preparation. Hmm... Roll Eyes
  
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