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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #9 - 10/14/03 at 06:34:56
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The analysis of the 3...Ne4 variation is on the first video on the French by GM Daniel King and he discusses the Bc4 line!
  
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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #8 - 10/09/03 at 00:13:36
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I believe IM A.Martin's videos on the French have analysis on these ...Ne4 variations after 3.Nc3 and 3.Nd2.  I don't know if he discusses the Bc4 move.
  
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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #7 - 02/18/03 at 14:58:02
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You know, against Bc4, I forgot which book reconmended it, but black can try c6. I know this is a funny looking move, but maybe it is something to try. I agree, the reconmended moves against bc4 don't look so great for black.

Against Be3, looks like black has some sharp play this the exchange sack of the rook.

Does anyone have a play how to play this position? On Nd3, Ne4, the bd3. I think the books say it is ok for white, but it looks like a normal french position. What should black do?

Well in my search for trying to find something against Nd3, I think I might go with Ne4 for a little while.
  
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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #6 - 02/15/03 at 06:39:43
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Indeed. It looks like 6.Bc4 is punishing black horribly for playing Ne4. I even looked at some strange moves like 6...f6, but this is just terrible.
  
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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #5 - 02/07/03 at 07:45:37
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I agree with RaspjelBuignek: after 6.Bc4! all variations seem leading to advantage (small) for White.
I tried a6,b6,Nd7 and so on, and nothing seems to work, because White has always a good reply: advance d5, knight move to take e4 pawn, support to d4...
Perhaps better is 6...a6! but White can play Gufeld move a4 or Nge2.
  

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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #4 - 02/06/03 at 07:42:21
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I worked yesterday about Classical French (Ne4 and Steinitz's variation: Nfd7) and I wonder if White can play the unusual move (not seen in Psakhis,Suetin and Short books about French): 5.Nge2!?

Then if Black plays Fb4, game will transpose to seldom variation given only in Dvorestky's book about Chess Tactics. The variation leads to a kind of Winawer without two knights.

Note: Nge2 is usual in other variations like McCutcheon with Bh4 or here after 5..Nxe4

  

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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #3 - 01/19/03 at 10:50:07
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Well, I have played the 4...Ne4 variation once (after 3.Nd2) against a 2405 player (it was a draw after black was clearly better), but nowadays this variation is considered dubious since white has the very strong move 6.Bc4!. The lethal threat 7.d5 almost forces black to play 6...a6 (6...c5 7.d5 Nd7 8.d:e6 f:e6 9.Nh3! with a very strong attack), but the pawn on e4 is very weak after 7.Ne2 b5 8.Bb3 Bb7 9.0-0 c5 10.c3, with Be3 and Bc2 to come. So it seems this variation should be buried Cry
  
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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #2 - 01/18/03 at 21:16:45
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Very interesting 4...Ne4. I never saw it before. Not that I like it very much for Black but it's nice to know some vars and plans after such a move if playing White Wink Thanks for a nice list of continuations!
  
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Re: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
Reply #1 - 01/18/03 at 07:01:25
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Well 4..Ne4 is an interesting line but given as unsound by many books.
Perhaps because of some games as young Kasparov's one, with  main line 5.Nxe4.
Positions will vary if White choose Nc3 or Nd2 and doesn't play Nxe4 (example: Qg4).
Books recommend Bd3 on Tarrasch variation to avoid Ne4, but perhaps it's an advice for players with no information about Ne4.
Some variations:
A) 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Ne4!? 5.Nxe4 dxe4 6.Be3! (Psakhis) c5 (6.b6?! see Kaparov-Galle,U16 Wattignies 1976 ; and Le Roy-Sebbah, youth team championship 1997) 7.dxc5 Nd7 Ivanov-Malanyuk, URSS 1981 (Psakhis) or Svidler-Avni,Groningue 1997 (I have just watched Svidler games last week) but perhaps 7...Qc7 (Dom) is worth studying (with idea to gambit pwan and fire on e5 pawn)
B) same as A but with 6.Bc4 (prepare Nge2-Ng3) c5 7.d5! exd5 (7...Nd7? gives massive attack for White on kingside) 8.Qxd5! with small advantage for White in coming final
C) other moves 6.Ne2, 6.g3 and 6.c3 are much more slower
D) 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qg4!? (looks like McCutcheon's position but with bishop still on f8 protecting g7) and with original game  but serious analysis is needed, with by example f5 6.exf6 Nxf6 7.Qg3
E) same as D but with 5.Bd3 and here too, analysis will be welcomed
F) other moves 5.Nce2 or 5.Ngf3 are worse. First because with f6, Ng5 will become a playable move and f3 cannot win a piece. Second because, Black will add much more pressure on center pawns, or play like Murey's variation on McCutheon with Bd7-Bc6
  

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C11: 4 ... Ne4 line in the French?
01/18/03 at 03:54:16
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Does anyone know about the line in the French that goes 1.e4 e6  2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 (or 3. Nd2) Nf6  4.e5 Ne4!?
lt sounds interesting!
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