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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #41 - 02/18/05 at 23:53:39
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Time for my annual update (18FEB05):

Dec 2004 Updates (2 groups): Dragons, 1 d4d5
Jan 2005 Updates (9 groups)
Feb 2005 Updates (1 group): 1...e4

I'm considering the January updates on time (since it's Feb timeframe) and Dec updates to be behind. Therefore, over the last two years, things have improved a bit, since the number of groups that are behind is only two. The dragons update is continually behind (but you can also say that this site has been updated 12 times in the last year).   

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It's been a year since I posted my original concern about the timeliness of the updates. Let's see how we've done for the last year:

Dec 2003 Updates (5 groups): French, Dragons, Open Sicilians, King's Indian, Nimzo & Benoni
Jan 2004 Updates (6 groups): 1 e4 e5, Anti-sicilians, 1d4 d5, d-pawn specials, Daring Defences, Flank Openings
Feb 2004 Updates (1 group): 1 e4...

I'd say that Dec 2003 updates are 1 month behind schedule, January 2004 are on schedule, and February 2004 is ahead of schedule (since the month is not over yet).

So, in general, we can say that as a whole, there hasn't been much change from last year to this year.

Individually, this is how many updates each of the sites have done in the last year (12 updates should be normal):
1 e4 e5: 12 updates
French: 12 updates
Dragons: 12 updates
Open Sicilians: 12 updates
Anti-sicilians: 11 updates (though let's note that last year this group was ahead of schedule and now it's on schedule).
1 e4...: 12 updates (and continuously ahead of schedule!)
1 d4 d5: 12 updates
d-pawn specials: 13 updates (and on schedule)
King's Indian: 11 updates (and behind schedule) 
Nimzo and Benoni: 12 updates
Daring Defences: 11 updates (same note as anti-sicilians: was ahead of schedule and now on schedule).
Flank Openings: 12 updates

As I said, it's not as bad as I thought. However, once an author falls behind, it's hard to catch up. Somewhere along the line, some subscribers have lost 1 update if they let their subscription expire. 




  
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #40 - 11/25/04 at 06:41:12
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A lot of the guys were at the Olympiad, and/or World Junior, when it is very difficult to find the time to do anything else (for serious coaches/competitors both events are quite exhausting), but I think they are all trying to catch up now.
If anyone has any good ideas on how to force them to produce their updates on time (without losing them!), we sure would be interested! Smiley
  
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #39 - 10/16/04 at 14:39:42
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It will not remain commercially viable if you brass off your (former) Gold subscribers, like me. I also subscribe to Chess Today, which (as the name suggests) is a daily magazine. That arrives in my in-box without fail each day, and always includes at least one annotated recent game. If they can produce material on that schedule, why can't you on a less demanding one? ???
  
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #38 - 10/14/04 at 07:53:02
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It would be much better to have the "October" update (regardless of the date of games included) arrive in October, IMO. I always assumed that was how it worked. 

Even accounting for a one-month lag in updates, right now August is the latest update we have from Chris Ward, John Fedorowicz, Gary Lane, Victor Mikhalevski, and John Emms--which is about half the site, and we're halfway through October.

I like the site, though. Hope it remains commercially viable.





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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #37 - 10/14/04 at 06:25:57
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Well, it is perfectly normal to expect the October update in October, I guess, probably the fault lies with the way ChessPublishing.com was originally planned. Undecided
I was thinking that if I could persuade everyone to do 2 updates in one month we would 'catch up', and have each month's updates arriving at the beginning of the month, rather than at the beginning of the month after. Of course, the November update would then contain games mostly played in October, rather than November, as is now the case, but it would be here in November! Again this would be pretty cosmetic, but if this is what everyone would prefer to see?
I have sent an email to Chris asking him when we can expect to see his update, for, as you say, it is not as if he does an enormous amount of work on it!
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #36 - 10/13/04 at 17:23:27
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Tony, my apologies for the misunderstanding. I (perhaps rather naively) simply assumed that the month titles meant that the updates would be released that month, regardless of when the games were played. That certainly placates some of my concerns, such as the fact that some September updates have not yet been released. However, the fact that Chris Ward's August update came out in the beginning of October is quite troubling. Surely it doesn't take 4 weeks to annotate 6 games!  Shocked   ???

Once again, I want to make it clear that, unlike some other, more disgruntled members, I am not about to cancel my subscription and I have every intention of renewing when my subscription expires in December. However, I feel certain improvements could be made to the site in order to increase customer satisfaction.
  
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #35 - 10/12/04 at 15:44:49
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In response to 'AmateurDragoneer', the September updates are supposed to look at the games played in ... September! Therefore it is perfectly normal that they are not completed before the beginning of October as some of the games haven't been played yet! Shocked
Regarding 'karpiekat's' question: how many updates did you receive during your one year sub? Probably around 144 if you have a Gold Card, i.e. 12x12!
Maybe the simplest is to change the names of the updates from, say, September to October so that everyone will get the updates at the beginning of the month in question, rather than the end. It would simply be a cosmetic change, of course, but if it makes some people happy ...
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #34 - 09/28/04 at 13:16:39
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Since I don't know how often (if at all) the webmaster or whomever is in charge of subscriptions checks this forum, it is probably best to send an e-mail to either support@chesspublishing.com or enquiries@chesspublishing.com
  
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #33 - 09/28/04 at 12:16:28
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I have just been asked to renew my subscription. The position does not seem to have improved over the past year or so.  The issues that are late I did not receive during my last subscription period. If I want to receive those late issues, I will need to renew. This is unacceptable.  Will I receive a discount or compensation for the late issues that I did not receive?  Angry
  
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Reply #32 - 09/28/04 at 11:30:54
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  Cannot wait for the latest updates....might die of old age Grin
  
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #31 - 09/27/04 at 14:35:54
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In the past, I have come to the defense of our Grandmasters when they have been late with updates and I am still very much aware of how much time and hard work it takes to produce the fabulous updates we have here on Chesspublishing.com. However, when October is going to start in four days  and 9 sections are still in August and one is still in July(!), I think we have a problem. While I have no immediate plans to cancel my subscription, I worry that people who haven't yet experienced chesspublishing.com and don't know how great it is might be turned off by the fact that some of the updates are behind. Does anyone have any ideas how we can remedy this problem so we can have more subscribers and, subsequently, more people on this forum?

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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #30 - 02/10/04 at 16:49:37
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It's been a year since I posted my original concern about the timeliness of the updates. Let's see how we've done for the last year:

Dec 2003 Updates (5 groups): French, Dragons, Open Sicilians, King's Indian, Nimzo & Benoni
Jan 2004 Updates (6 groups): 1 e4 e5, Anti-sicilians, 1d4 d5, d-pawn specials, Daring Defences, Flank Openings
Feb 2004 Updates (1 group): 1 e4...

I'd say that Dec 2003 updates are 1 month behind schedule, January 2004 are on schedule, and February 2004 is ahead of schedule (since the month is not over yet).

So, in general, we can say that as a whole, there hasn't been much change from last year to this year.

Individually, this is how many updates each of the sites have done in the last year (12 updates should be normal):
1 e4 e5: 12 updates
French: 12 updates
Dragons: 12 updates
Open Sicilians: 12 updates
Anti-sicilians: 11 updates (though let's note that last year this group was ahead of schedule and now it's on schedule).
1 e4...: 12 updates (and continuously ahead of schedule!)
1 d4 d5: 12 updates
d-pawn specials: 13 updates (and on schedule)
King's Indian: 11 updates (and behind schedule) 
Nimzo and Benoni: 12 updates
Daring Defences: 11 updates (same note as anti-sicilians: was ahead of schedule and now on schedule).
Flank Openings: 12 updates

As I said, it's not as bad as I thought. However, once an author falls behind, it's hard to catch up. Somewhere along the line, some subscribers have lost 1 update if they let their subscription expire. 



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I am somewhat concerned about the timeliness of some of the sites. 

I figure, if an update is titled "February 2003" is because it was published during that month. However, the large majority of the updates are done late!

Look at this data (as of 10FEB2003):

Dec 2002 updates (5 groups): French, Dragons, Open Sicilians, d-pawn specials, Nimzo & Benoni, 
Jan 2003 updates (4 groups): 1 e4 e5, 1 d4 d5, King's Indian, Flank Openings
Feb 2003 updates (3 groups): Anti-sicilians, 1...e4, Daring Defences

I realize that the authors of the sites have other things to do, such as play in tournaments, give lessons, write books, study, have a personal life, etc. However, the situation is getting worse, rather than better.

Is there a recovery plan to get back on track? (Like issuing the monthly updates every two or three weeks for those who are behind, until they catch up).

Thanks in advance.

Baldomero Garcia

  
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #29 - 01/11/04 at 15:59:26
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While I agree that something must be done about the timeliness of the updates, I feel that Nexirae is being too harsh on the GMs who's lives do not solely consist of tournaments and a social life. Many GMs also work, have families, etc. and with 8 games at 2 nights/game plus a night or two to pick the games is 18 nights, which is more than half of the month. If GMs cannot reasonably come out with an update once a month, I am understanding. If this is the case, however, the subscription time table needs to be adjusted so that a person like myself who has a Gold Card subscription gets 12 monthly updates in EVERY CATEGORY and not get 12 in one category, 11 in another, and so on. The subscriptions are based on a 12-month time cycle, NOT 12 updates. If  the updates are not going to produced monthly, then that is not fair to subscribers who are essentially promised a 12-month subscription with one update per month. 

To conclude, I must say that despite my complaints regarding the timing, I do feel that this site offers an excellent service to chessplayers and it is definitely worth the membership.
  
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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #28 - 01/11/04 at 14:58:19
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As far as I am concerned, one month is more than enough time to produce an update.

The most recent updates averaged (mean) of 8.42 games.  Whether or not you are busy with tournaments or anything else, I would believe that an update could easily be produced with 8 games.   

For example, let's say you use one night to scan over recent games in your openings area.  You then pick out 8 games that seemed interesting to you that you would like to bring into the update.

Then, you have to annotate your 8 selections.  From my own annotating of others' (not masters though) games, this can easily be done within 2 nights per game and be high quality.  (One night is usually even more than enough for a high quality annotation.)

This means that your workload is not exactly a giant amount for a month and will easily allow for whatever else is going on in your life.  (Not to mention that the masters are getting paid to do these updates!)

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Re: Timeliness of the monthly updates
Reply #27 - 01/11/04 at 12:42:45
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Not as far as I am aware.
  
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