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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #13 - 08/15/05 at 20:37:30
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I'm happy to note it is not. Wink I'm planning my repertoire around Fort Knox, Rubenstien, Burn and Guimard. Any one out there playing this? I would appreciate any feed back.

P.S. I have decided not to play against Anand. Grin So any normal view is okay.


Wow, not exactly setting the world alight are we, looks like your'e playing for a draw from the get go.

I know some strong players indulge in the Guimard but this system must be fundamentally flawed. The following is a simple and reliable way to get a slightly better game: 

[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "1989.??.??"]
[White "Donchev,Dimitar"]
[Black "Topalov,Vesselin"]
[Round ""]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C04"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 Nc6 4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. e5 Nd7 6. Bb5 a6 7. Ba4 b5 8. Bb3 f6 9. exf6 Qxf6 10. Nf1 Bd6 11. Ne3 O-O 12. c3 Ne7 13. O-O Bb7 14. Re1 Nf5 15. Ng4 Qg6 16. h3 Rae8 17. Bc2 Qh5 18. Nfe5 Bxe5 19. Nh6+ 1-0

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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #12 - 05/21/05 at 05:28:37
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I'm happy to note it is not. Wink I'm planning my repertoire around Fort Knox, Rubenstien, Burn and Guimard. Any one out there playing this? I would appreciate any feed back.

P.S. I have decided not to play against Anand. Grin So any normal view is okay.
  

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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #11 - 05/19/05 at 14:04:23
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Alas, if only it were so simple  Grin

Sadly it is not.

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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #10 - 05/19/05 at 13:28:13
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I think the rubinstein the best variation for white in the whole French. White can develop easy and has a strong centre. It isnt hard to play for white. I play Nf3-Bg5-Bd3-Qd2 0-0-0 with  a kingside attack.
  
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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #9 - 05/19/05 at 07:19:50
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As a c-k player I have also tried the rubinstein. In fact sometimes it seems the rubinstein french is an improved smyslov (4... Nd7) caro-kann!  Grin 

Le-Clown's two recommendations for White are the more critical lines. Although perhaps 5. Bd3 is too well-known and Black already has found the right way (ie. by not being too greedY!). Either of these are likely to feature in the upcoming french volume in the Opening for White According to Anand series. 

I really don't understand the fuss about 5. g3. I mean, who plays g3 against the 4... Nd7 caro-kann? If anything, black can go b6/(Rb8)/Bb7, and every dour stoic defender who play such openings will be happy with black!
  
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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #8 - 05/19/05 at 00:39:06
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The Rubinstein annoys me too  Grin

[Event "Amber-rapid 14th"]
[Site "Monte Carlo"]
[Date "2005.03.19"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Svidler,Peter"]
[Black "Bareev,Evgeny"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C10"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.g3 Ngf6 6.Nxf6+ Nxf6 7.Bg2 e5 8.Qe2 Qxd4 9.Nf3 Qe4 10.Qxe4 Nxe4 11.Nxe5 Nc5 12.Be3 f6 13.Nc4 Be6 14.Na5 0-0-0 15.b4 Ne4 16.0-0 f5 17.a3 Be7 18.Rad1 Bf6 19.Rd3 a6 20.Rfd1 c6 21.Bb6 Rxd3 22.Rxd3 Nc3 23.Rd6 Bd5 24.Bh3 Be4 25.Nc4 Nd5 26.Bc5 Bxc2 27.Re6 Kd7 28.Re2 Bd3 29.Ne5+ Bxe5 30.Rxe5 g6 31.Bg2 Re8 32.Rxe8 Kxe8 
33.Bxd5 cxd5 34.f4 Kd7 35.Kf2 Kc6 36.Ke3 Be4 37.Kd4 Kb5 38.Kc3  1/2

[Event "Amber-rapid 14th"]
[Site "Monte Carlo"]
[Date "2005.03.19"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Svidler,Peter"]
[Black "Anand,Viswanathan"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C10"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.g3 Ngf6 6.Nxf6+ Nxf6 7.Bg2 e5 8.Qe2 Qxd4 9.Nf3 Qd5 10.0-0 Bd6 11.Re1 Bg4 12.h3 Bxf3 13.Bxf3 e4 14.Bxe4 Nxe4 15.Qxe4+ Qxe4 16.Rxe4+ Kd7 17.Bf4 Rhe8 18.Rd4 Re6 19.Rad1 Rae8 20.Kf1 Kc6 21.Bxd6 Rxd6 22.Rxd6+  1/2

Even with 5.g3 this darn Rubinstein is still an awfully tough nut to crack.

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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #7 - 05/07/05 at 04:20:28
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Note Neric`s comment.  5.g3 is not easy for black to meet at all.
  

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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #6 - 05/07/05 at 00:16:58
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I prefer the white pieces.
  
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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #5 - 10/19/03 at 23:20:13
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I have to admit I find the Rubinstein variation (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4) to be very annoying.  I have a dim recollection of some games with 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.c3!?, did this move ever really catch on?  If not does anyone have another opinion on how to play as White?
  
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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #4 - 03/03/03 at 09:35:49
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If you want an interesting variation for white then try 5. g3 and look up the game Botwinnik-Guimard, 1947.

The idea is to put the white bishop on the diagonal while the counter Bd7-c6 is impossible.

Compare this to Iljin-Genewsky-Botwinnik, 1937 which went: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. g3 dxe4 4. Bg2 Bd7! with Bc6 to follow.

If there was anyone who knew how to play the French then it was Botwinnik.

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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #3 - 02/25/03 at 11:03:25
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10...e5!? is briefly covered in New In Chess Yearbook n°62 with the game Rogers-Borgo, St Vincent 2002. After 11.Qxe5 Qb6, white played 12.Nf3 and soon went into trouble, although he managed to win.
Rather than 12.Nf3, Rogers suggest 12.Be3! and think that white is better  after 12...Bxe3 13.Qxe3 Qxe3 14.fxe3 Ng4 15.Rd2 Ne3 16.Nf3 Bf5 17.Bxf5 Nxf5 18.Rd7 +/=.
But, instead of 11...Qb6, black can try 11...Bd4!?. A sample variation: 12.Qb5 (12.Qg5?! Qb6 13.Qb5 Qxb5 14.Bxg5 Bxf2 with equality) 12...Bxf2(probably not best) 13.Bg5 Qc7 14.Nf3 (14.Bxf6!?) 14...Nd7 15.Rhf1 and white has an advantage.
  
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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #2 - 02/25/03 at 10:33:24
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Thank you Le-Clown. I had studied this variation (today)5.Bd3 Ngf6 6.Qe2 c5 7.Nxf6+ Nxf6 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.Bd2!? 0-0 10.0-0-0 but, what do you think about 10...e5 in this position? after 10.0-0-0
Answer me please :)
  
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Re: Rubistein Variation
Reply #1 - 02/24/03 at 11:28:50
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It depends of the type of position you are looking for. 
The more simple (and the more economic) is to transpose to the 5...Nbd7 Burn's variation by playing 5.Nf3 Ngf6 6.Bg5.
But, if you like messy position, i think that delaying Kf3 by 5.Bd3 is worth a try. For example 5.Bd3 Ngf6 6.Qe2 c5 7.Nxf6+ Nxf6 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.Bd2!? ( 9.Bg5 seems more natural but then Van Wely's 9...h6!? gives black a satisfactory game) 9...0-0 10.0-0-0 and here black is at a crossroads: he can choose to transpose to the line arising after 9.Bg5 Qa5+?! 10.Bd2 Qb6 but i think white has the better chances here, or to play the optimistic 10...Qd5!?. In this case, the position rather sharp. A couple of games  featuring this move has been played at a highest level in 2001 and 2002 (Anand-VanWely, Monaco 2001, Morozevitch-VanWely, WaZ 2002 and the famous Khalifman-Bareev, WaZ 2002), all won by white.
After 10...Qd5!?, 11.Kb1 is the more logical ( it has been played in the 3 games quote earlier) but Pedersen thinks that black is doing fine after 11...e5 but this move lack of practical support. All in all, white's best may be the provocative 11.Bc3!?. Going for the g pawn seems to be the black's safest choice and after 11...Qxg2 12.Kf3 Qxf2 13.Qxf2 Bxf2 14.Bb4 white is going to regain his material with a slightly better position.
  
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C03,C10-C11: Rubistein Variation
02/24/03 at 10:20:56
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Hello everybody!
I would like to ask you how to fight against the Rubistein Variation, 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7. Are there an interesting line for White?
Thanks!
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