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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #9 - 03/23/04 at 19:22:00
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THE reason for me not to play 1...e5 is the Scottish indeed. After 4...Qh4 there are many interesting sacrificial lines for Black, but the White gambit 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2! Qxe4 7.Ndb5 Bxc3+ (not Kd8 8.o-o Bxc3 9.Nxc3!) 8.bxc3 (8.bxc3 Qxg2!) Kd8 9.o-o seems full of attacking chances and lasting compensation.
The Gutman book on this subject might be the best opening book of the last 15 years or so. It is a complete and unbiased treat of the Steinitz Variation. Gutman seems to agree that this gambit line is critical, but does not give a final verdict.
  

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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #8 - 03/23/04 at 11:05:59
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"There should be nothing to worry about because the whole line is very risky for Black who walks into a lightening attack. In the following encounter a teenage grandmaster is gifted a point with a spectacular win:

Sergy Karjakin-Vasily Malinin Sudak 2002
1 e4 Nc6 2 d4 e5 3 Nf3 exd4 4 Nxd4 Qh4
Do not adjust your chess set but this is the awesome move. 5 Nc3 5 Nb5 used to be the main move but this has replaced in popularity with the text. 5Bb4 6 Be2 Nf6 I think 6Bxc3+ is the standard move. For instance: 7 bxc3 Nxd4 8 Qxd4 Qf6 9 Qc5 (9 Qxf6 Nxf6 is fine for Black due to White's damaged pawn structure) 9c6 10 00 Qe7 11 Qd4 Nf6 12 e5 Nd5 13 a4 b6 14 Ba3 Qg5 15 f4 Qh6 16 c4 gave White a strong initiative, G.Buchicchio-L.Lain, Bratto 2002. 7 00 The general feeling is that nowadays the lead in development in this line is difficult for Black to cope with if he decides to grab the e-pawn. Therefore, White is content to bring the king's rook into the game. 7Bxc3 8 Nf5 Qxe4 9 Bd3 Qg4 10 f3 White is right to chase the black queen in order to prove its early outing is wrong. 10Qa4 10Qb4 does not help after 11 bxc3 Qxc3 12 Nxg7+ Kd8 Black has an extra pawn but it is not enough to cover the future awkwardness of developing the rest of the pieces 13 Rb1 d6 14 Kh1 Ne5 15 Rb3 Qd4 16 Bg5 Ned7 17 Bf5 (White has targeted the weak knight on f6 and is now stripping away the defensive pieces) 17Qc5 (17Qxd1 18 Rxd1 Ke7 19 Bxd7 Bxd7 20 Nh5 winning) 18 Qa1 Ke7 19 Bxf6+ Nxf6 20 Re1+ 10 S.Prudnikova-J.Bokan,, Herceg Novi 2001.] 11 bxc3 00 12 Nxg7! A brilliant move which rips apart Black's position. 12Kxg7 13 Bh6+ Kxh6 The first new move of the game. The only snag is that Black didn't know that and has been out remembered. A previous encounter had continued: 13Kh8 14 Bxf8 (White has a material advantage and a much better position) 14d6 15 Qd2 Qh4 16 Bh6 the threat is Bg5 16 ..Ng8 17 Bg5 Qa4 18 c4 Qa5 19 Qf4 Ne5 20 Bf6+ Nxf6 21 Qxf6+ Kg8 22 Qg5+ 10 Z.Vukovic-D.Mozetic, Banja Vrucica 1991. 14 Qd2+ Kh5 15 g4+
A king chase that is lots of fun for White and horrible for Black. 15Nxg4 16 fxg4+ Qxg4+ 17 Kh1 d6 18 Rf6 Qg5 19 Be2+ Bg4 20 Bxg4+ 10

Therefore be strong when playing the Scotch although there is no need to go native by wearing the traditional kilt during games."~Gary Lane, ChessCafe.com, March 2004.
  
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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #7 - 03/23/04 at 04:02:19
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I would hardly call 4...Qh4 "Unrecognized" given the fact that it's called the Steinitz Variation and there is an entire book on the subject by John Hall.

http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_js/js_scotch_4_qh4.html

The reason why it isn't played at the highest level is that, in exchange for the pawn, White gets "a lasting initiative that features a centralized Black King and an entombed a8-Rook" (Silman).
  
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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #6 - 05/13/03 at 03:21:53
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I remember seeing a book an entire book just on the 4...Qh4 Scotch in the bookstore.  Its by Lev Gutman (GM) I believe.  I think Watson also gave it a good review.   Cheesy
  
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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #5 - 03/06/03 at 21:00:56
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Karjakin play 5 Nc3 Bb4 6 Be2 in the tournament where he got his final GM norm I believe.  He played a nice double piece sac that was already known and won a short game.

I had an email game as white with 6...Bxc3 7 bxc3 Nf6 8 Bf3 Nxe4 9 0-0 Ng5 10 Re1+ Ne6 and got a winning position but missed some tactics and lost.

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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #4 - 02/25/03 at 10:50:36
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I think it is meant to be comprehensive coverage rather than a repertoire book - but to tell the truth I haven't read it at all (I don't play the Scotch with either colour!) so I am relying on what I remember reading about it.
  

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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #3 - 02/25/03 at 10:41:11
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By the way, is that book on Qh4 written for Black or White or for both? Thanks.
  
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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #2 - 02/25/03 at 10:09:46
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Well, maybe Qh4 in Scotch is not played much at a very high level but it sure gets played against me when I play Scocth with White! And I still fear this Qh4 as I am still trying to figure out how to follow up the attack appropriately on c7, etc. It seems that Black manages to refute the attack in time and get himself in a managable position. But then again, I have to study Scotch more to refute this Qh4 Smiley

The main line though for White against 4...Qh4 is 5.Nb5
  
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Re: 4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
Reply #1 - 02/25/03 at 05:02:57
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It is certainly a fun variation and makes a nice change from the usual lines of the Scotch which, imho, are a bit dull.  There is a book by Lev Gutman focusing exclusively on ...Qh4 against the Scotch - the book was very well reviewed when it came out a couple of years back.  I can't imagine the theory has changed that much since, so it might be worth tracking down a copy (it was published by Batsford in 2001, I think, and is called simply "4...Qh4 in the Scotch Game").
  

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4...Qh4!? in the Scotch
02/25/03 at 04:15:34
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I recently started to play 1...e5 against 1.e4. As you must know, there is a lot of work, especially since i decided to play the Archangel/Moller variation against the spanish.
So, i've decided to build an "economic repertoire" against other systems, especially the scotch.  4...Bc5 and 4...Nf6 variations are interesting but call for a lot of work. That's why i've chose to work the unrecognized 4...Qh4!?. After having quickly look at it, I got the feeling that this variation was better that his reputation may suggest.
However, I was concerned by the simple 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Ndb5 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Bxc3+ (7...Kd8 traspose)8.bxc3! Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Be3 but after closer investigation i came to the conclusion that black is doing well.
So, my question is simple: Why the 4...Qh4 variation is not played more often and what is the variation that put black into difficulties?
  
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