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Re: Cross-referencing
Reply #3 - 02/26/03 at 02:05:10
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I was wondering when someone would pick up on that - it is a joke derived from the film Fight Club - there is a famous scene where Brad Pitt is 'initiating' new members of said club and he says "The first rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club.  The second rule of Fight Club is, YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB".  Maybe a bit tangential ...
  

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Re: Cross-referencing
Reply #2 - 02/25/03 at 17:36:49
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     We decided that it would be simplest to follow the Informator ECO codes, as most chessplayers are familiar with this. As far as I am aware absolutely all the openings are covered somewhere in this system. Smiley
     The easiest way to find an odd line is to look at the ECO code for a game (easy to do with ChessBase, or Fritz, etc, as Max points-out) and then have a look at the eBooks list to find the appropriate code (or if you have all the chapters as PGN files on your hard disc just do a simple search).
     As to the KIA, we had a number of discussions about this - it is mostly code A08, so should be in the Flank Openings section, and can also arise from the Sicilian (after 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 e6 3 d3), but occurs most frequently after 1 e4 e6 2 d3, so we decided it should be covered in the French section. I believe two of the eBooks chapters cover the position that occurs after 1 e4 e6 2 d3 c5 3 Nf3 which is the position that often arises from the Sicilian, as well, so this is the place to look.
     That said code A04 is a Reti, but can also become a KIA of sorts. There will never be an ideal system, for instance, I have just finished annotating a 1 g3 game (in code A00, but also with a KIA look to it) when I noticed that the position could also arise from a Caro-Kann move-order (code B10)!
     What does "The first rule of ChessPub is you do not talk about ChessPub" mean?
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Re: Cross-referencing
Reply #1 - 02/25/03 at 10:35:51
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Well, if you have access to all the sections, you might just download all the eBooks in pgn and then open it as a database in Fritz for example and do the search of the position and it will find the right eBook/s for you.

Nevertheless, this topic brings an interesting point! Two points actualy Smiley What if there is an opening/variation that does not fit into any particular section? First that comes to mind is KIA. Yes, it's kinda discussed in French eBook but it is only about 1.e4 e6 and does not explain anything about KIA vs. other openings like Sicialian, etc. in full details. So, first of all, it would be nice to have a special KIA eBook Wink (I would love it as I start studying KIA for white) as it is not really an opening but a setup and requires special dedication. Second, I would not be sure where to post the question about KIA vs. Sicilian in this forum. So, maybe it's a good idea to create another additional board called "Other Openings" or something like that for the cross-referenced things and opening not entirely defined well for a particular section.
  
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Cross-referencing
02/25/03 at 08:38:49
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Not sure exactly where this post is headed yet but hopefully the point is an important one - not meant to be a complaint just a suggestion for improving things.

I had a club game last night which started (I was White) 1.Nf3 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.c4 d6 4.Nc3 Nd7 5.g3 e5 6.Bg2 Ne7 7.0-0 0-0

I wasn't entirely happy with the way the opening went - although I won in the end Smiley - so I wanted to look it up in the e-book, but it took me quite a while to find the right one.  I eventually found out it is in King's Indian - Intro but since it is really a Modern I assumed it would be under the Pirc/Modern or at the very least under the Fianchetto King's Indian.

I suppose the point is to ask if there is a better way of cross referencing these things so that it is easy to find the right e-book?
  

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