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Re: Alapin French
Reply #4 - 06/01/03 at 12:24:11
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I am the poster of the original message here.  I have since learned how to do complicated things like log in...   8)

Anyway, I wanted to thank you all for your input. I actually found about 5 other games with this line; with my game (which I lost), the score was 3 White wins and 3 Black wins.  A case could be made for either White or Black with those statistics.  White could point to the oddness of the line and say he got a reasonable score with an odd line.  Black could say he scored at least as well as White.  It seems that despite the color, the stronger player won most of the time.  So in that respect, the Alapin is like most other openings in that respect.

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Re: Alapin French
Reply #3 - 05/31/03 at 08:01:03
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Well I have found some games and I think best plan might be b6 like in Botvinnik's variation in the Rubinstein system (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.g3 b6!?). Kingside fianchetto is a common guest in modern games.
Here are the variations: 5.g3 b6!? (you can play that system for 5.c3 b6 6.g4 move order too) 6.Bg2 (yes, c3 is not required now, but maybe in few moves?...since Qc2 is required to win e4 pawn back) Bb7 and now 7.c3 c5!? (given on the old web site of the ddg, Diemer-Duhm Gambit) when Black chances are not so bad (I think c7 is good square for black queen to protect e4 with Qe5 threat)  ... or 7.Ne2 Nbd7 8.c3 Bd6 9.Qc2  oo 10.oo (10.Nxe4 Nxe4 11.Bxe4 Bxe4 12.Qxe4 Nf6) e5  Haida-Eliskases, Bad Liebenwerd 1934 a good game to analyze in order to play against g3.  You can play the same ideas with 7.c3 Nbd7!? 8.Qc2 Bd6!? (-Dom- and not 8...Be7 Kemma-Bartel,1990 -Neven-). The idea is to push e5 like in your post ...
  

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Re: Alapin French
Reply #2 - 05/25/03 at 07:40:24
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I have only one referenced game with plan given by IanE11 : 5...Nc6 6.c3 e5 7.Ne2 Bg4 8.Qb3 with small advantage to White..Mieses-Lipke,Leizpig 1894 (ECG ; Note: ECG=Encyclopedia of Chess Games French Defence - Kuligowski).

I will look if games were played in 20and 21th century with that variation..
  

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Re: Alapin French
Reply #1 - 05/10/03 at 07:32:03
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After 5.g3 I think 5...Nc6 6.c3 e5 looks good. If 7.Ne2 Bg4.
I don't think the Alapin is a worry for black if (s)he knows what (s)he is doing....but that's the problem when playing over the board.
  
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C00: Alapin French
05/08/03 at 21:03:35
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Has anybody faced this line in the Alapin as Black?  If so, please let me know how you think Black should react:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Be3 de 4.Nd2 Nf6 5.g3 ?  I had this played against me recently and I totally messed it up.  I have the feeling 5...Nc6 is correct, but I'm not sure of the correct plan from there for Black.

I have what I consider a good line for Black against the more usual 5.f3, but what I need is input about 5.g3.

Thanks!  Smiley
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