Now my new conclustion are that black equliazes completly very easy in corrsspondance chess both in Qe3 line and in Bb5 Bd7 Qd3 line. However the line could stil be decent in over the board play.

Syzygy wrote on 12/31/19 at 01:47:58:


I will wait untill the Corr game gets past the opening fase before we can discuss this, there , I am not shure since I have not access to my usual computer so I have not got an engine at the moment. The analyses has some strange looking moves, partciaullary the start move from here, I can no realy asses the position myself without understanding why some moves are selected as main moves so it mihgt very well be equal.
The database must claim an  edge, wheneter is exist or not, for white otherwise it wold not sell

On an "old wine in new bottles" note, some games with 4...Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. Qd3 (including one played by Sundar Shyam, the author of that Modern Chess product) have reached the same position as a game which stuck in my memory from ancient theory:  6.Bxc6 Bxc6 7.c4 Nf6 8.Nc3 g6 9.O-O Bg7 10.Qd3 O-O 11. Be3 a6 (Damjanovic-Gligoric, Ljubljana 1969).

Thanks for the replies, I will analyse it later. I got inspired when I saw the database and played 4 Qxd4 in a corr game vs a hiegher rated player  yesterday without looking at the contents first.

EDIT I will not show how the game develops s or post it here /EDIT

The databases main recommendation appears to be Qe3 system but Bb5 followed by Qd3 system is also covered as an alternative.
It is a realy low theory system for white even if one learns both options. Black can choose between g6 setups and e6 setups.

The systems where White retreats the queen and aims for a Maroczy Bind structure are definitely underrated. Black can equalize against 5. Qe3 with precise play, i.e. 5...g6 6. c4 Bg7 7. Nc3 Qb6. On the other hand, I actually find 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. Qd3 to be quite annoying. White seems to score well there.

That said, is there anything wrong with the sideline 4...Nf6, where Black delays the placement of the queenside knight? White can play 5. c4, but after 5...Nc6 6. Qe3 Bg4! Black has scored well in recent games.

Sorry to resurect a very old thread how has the theory developed since? I saw a opening repertoar database for white at Modern Chess where white plays Qe3 instead of Bb5, I asked friend about it and he told me that Carlsen had played that way.

In the good old day when I played the Dragon with the black pieces I used to play 4 .. a6 but if white wants to play Qe3 line it almost looks like a wasted tempo on that mainline.

TN wrote on 11/16/10 at 08:06:00:



Hello

Maybe it's just poor me, but I'm getting confused. After reading your text over and again, I dare say that you seem to get confused as well... .

A classifying sytem like used in ECO has its merits. 2.Nf3 and 3.d4 = open Sicilian, main lines and side lines. Simple.

Come to think of it, that's why I had such a hard time finding something here on my pet line 4.Qd4. Which, I hasten to add, has a somewhat larger pedigree then the open Sicilians (?!) you mentioned. Striving for a classic Maroczy setup like I discribed, an anti-Sicilian?   
Ok by me, after all the only "Sicilian" setup for white is 1.c4...


Greetings

It's been a while,  , but I'd like to comment on the earlier mentioned 7.c4 f5!? sequence. I finally decided to dance around that problem with the following ideas:
1) After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd 4.Qd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 there's also the immediate 6.Dd3 (a move white has to make sooner or later), and only later c2-c4. Works great for me in practice.
2) There's also 5.Bc6 Bc6 6. 0-0 Nf6 7.Re1, with later c2-c4.
3) Aware black players do well to flick in 3...Nf6. No remedy for that! If you don't like 4.Nc3 (I do) , 4.Bb5+ Bd7 5.Bd7+ Nfd7 (ECO) and 6.d5 has always struck me as looking kind of nice. There's maybe even a game of chess in 5.Qd3. Fits in nicely with the line under 1).
Not that White has something , objectively, here, or under 1) or 2). He just has his game on the board and a lot free time gained with not having to study how to survive after 4.Nd4., as well as having some more time on the clock and a frustrated Dragonist or Najdorfgeek in front of you. Enjoy!

Someone mentioned (3...cd 4.Qd4 Nf6) as a good possibility; I agree, but I'd like to add a move that wasn't mentioned, I believe : White can go 5.Bb5+ here with a possible 5...Bd7 (5....Nc6 is transposing; 5....Nbd7 is 3.Bb5+) 6.c4!?.

Just my thoughts on this. If you decide to go anti-Sicilian, read up on anti-anti-Sicilian literature on go anti-anti-anti-Sicilian!