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Reply #51 - 10/01/05 at 14:05:08
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I'd just like to know what people think of the Albin Counter Gambit 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. de d4 4. Nf3 (best) Nc6. I think Black gets good chances after something like 5. g3 Bf5 6. Bg2 Qd7 7. 0-0 h5 8. Nbd2 Be7! This stops Ng5 and allows Black also to play ...h4 without losing another pawn 

This has to be a good try at my bog-standard level of chess when my oppenents cannot defend!

Your thoughts please

The Albin is pretty much a C+ opening.  A few tricks to avoid, and white is better.  It's main value is surprise.  However, some people won't be surprised, and then black usually loses.

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Reply #50 - 09/05/05 at 18:17:27
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Well, this may be so, but where is the refutation? Isn't Krasenkov--Morozevich the most critical? Or is it just one critical line among several?
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #49 - 09/04/05 at 23:43:44
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I doubt we'll see any rush to play the Albin despite some of its recent successes.  It's one of those borderline openings that works as an occasional surprise, but I would never rely on it.  In fact, if a strong player were to play it regularly in my neck of the woods, I would definitely prepare for it and feel lucky that he was flirting with disaster!
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #48 - 09/04/05 at 19:29:12
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I don't know anything about this opening so I may be speaking out of turn, but in Krasenkov--Morozevich I found myself wondering if 11 ...Be7 is Black's only option. The idea is clear, but is it good if, as seems, White can avoid coming under K-side attack? The suggested improvement 17 ...a6 still seems good for White to me.

I haven't had time for a close look at this yet, but I wondered about:

(1)  11 ...Bb4 with a possible threat of ...Bd2 and ...e4.

(2)  11 ...Nge7 with thoughts of embarrassing the Bh4 intead of exchanging it.

(3) 11 ... Qg4 with similar ideas.

Have these tries been refuted?

  
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Reply #47 - 04/22/05 at 08:17:30
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I'm curious what you guys think of 1.d4 d4 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bf4 ? This line is annoying as white can protect e5 and set up e3. What do you guys think is the best way for black to continue?
  
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Reply #46 - 04/16/05 at 21:41:03
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Maybe 5.Nbd2 Nge7 6.Nb3 (6.a3!?) Nf5 and now 7.e4 feels better.
  
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Reply #45 - 04/16/05 at 10:08:33
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Glenn's latest update shows Black doing very well in the Albin.  If Nakamura can nick half a point off the no-nonsense Dreev, the Albin is surely playable... for now at least.

Certainly the Albin has some irritant value: I don't feel like i'm playing 1. d4 when the black pawn is on d4!  Angry

The Nge7 Albin may well be critical. Most sources (Palliser, Bosch in NIC SOS etc.) cite Krasenkow-Morozevich Podolsk 1993 as the way to go for white, but Bosch thinks the game is about equal if Black had improved with 17...a6. He might be a little optimistic here and I agree with Palliser White has an edge. But is there something more convincing for white...?
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #44 - 03/11/05 at 16:36:30
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Sure, it is exactly what Black wants. So play 6.a3! and if Black prepares queenside castling it is White who will come first: Nge7 7.b4 Qd7 8.b5! Na5 9.Qa4 b6 10.Bb2 and White is already clearly better.
  
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Reply #43 - 03/11/05 at 15:56:10
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What do you think of the line 1d4 d5 2 c4 e5 3 de5 d4 4 Nf3 Nc6 5 Nbd2 Be6 6 g3 Qd7 7 Fg2 Bh3 8 0-0 h5?
It gives me a lot of trouble with White. Angry
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #42 - 03/03/05 at 21:49:51
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The only game I could find with a similar idea is Bingel-Weise, Süder Sommer Open 1996. Black's play was not exemplary.
So here there is only one reaction possible: try it in your games. Maybe the Harskamp Variation will become the most topical of the Albin's within a few years. Who knows?
  
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Reply #41 - 03/03/05 at 18:34:28
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whtaabout 5. .... g6 in reply to 5. g3? Can't find any information, but it looks quite good
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #40 - 01/26/05 at 09:22:39
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well it must have some merit seeing as Morozevich is still winning at the highest level with it, beating Sokolov as Black with it shows that it still packs a punch.
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #39 - 12/31/04 at 07:57:14
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6.h3 Bxf3 7.Nxf3 Bb4+ 8.Bd2 Qe7 9.g3 (9.Bxb4 and 9.a3 are about equal, but Black can hardly play for a win) o-o-o 10.Bg2 Nxe5 (I am not sure about d3) 11.o-o! gives White an enduring edge, Miralles-Pergericht 1988.
After 5...Bf5 6.a3 is best. We have discussed that before in this thread.
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #38 - 12/30/04 at 04:29:49
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I think...White can play the more precise 6.h3, intending Bxf3 8.Nxf3 and Bh5 8.g3. In both cases White can maintain an advantage.


6.a3 IS best preventing Bb4+ in the line 6.h3?! Bxf3! 7.Nxf3 Bb4+ (eliminating the two bishop advantage) 8.Bd2 Qe7 planning ...O-O-O, Nxe5, Nf6.  It is not clear to me that White's attack is faster than Black's here.

Similiarly 5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.Nb3 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 (now Black's d-pawn is safe) so in this position 7...Be7! 8.g3 (8.Bc1?! Bb4+ is a draw if White wants one) with some compensation for the pawn, e.g., 8...f6! 9.exf6 Nxf6 with a double edge game.  Black can castle to either side depending upon White's response.  Black will need tactical acumen to win this, but the position is conducive to such an  approach.  What your opinion?
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #37 - 12/29/04 at 21:11:45
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I think 7...Bh5 better than 7...Bxf3, the first leading to unclear play. But White can play the more precise 6.h3, intending Bxf3 8.Nxf3 and Bh5 8.g3. In both cases White can maintain an advantage.
  
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