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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #21 - 03/26/04 at 08:28:15
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Yes, Kd2 on move 20 certainly looks stronger. I'm determined to find a move to make the albin playable though, there must be improvements here somewhere.

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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #20 - 03/25/04 at 18:47:40
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This time I am the pessimistic, gloomy guy.
What about 21.Qf5+ Kb8 22.Qf3 and what
about 20.Kd2 immediately?

My second remark is that 6.Nb3 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 Qe7
8.Bxb4 Qxb4+ 9.Qd2 Qxc3 10.Nfxd4 looks good
for White.

Finally

Junge,K - Wolf [D08]
DEUchT Stuttgart, 1939

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Pf3 Pc6 5.Pbd2 Lf5
6.Pb3 Dd7 7.a3 0-0-0 8.Lf4 Pge7 9.Pc5 De8 10.b4
Pg6 11.g3 Lxc5 12.bxc5 Pgxe5 13.Pxe5 Pxe5
14.Lg2 Pd3+ 15.Kf1 Pxf4 16.gxf4 Le4 17.Lh3+ Kb8
18.Tg1 g6 19.Tg3 De7 20.Tb3 The8 21.Tab1 Lxb1
22.Txb7+ Kxb7 23.Dxb1+ 1-0

Sorry, I have lost my faith in the Albin's.
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #19 - 03/25/04 at 16:00:42
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I've been taking a look at these 5.Nbd2 lines, as they are the ones I feel likely to refute the albin.

Firstly, in the line after 5...Bf5 6.a3 f6 7.exf6 Qxf6 8.Nb3 h6 9.Nfxd4 O-O-O 10.e3 Nxd4 11.exd4 Qg6 12.Qf3, instead of Bc2, how about 12...Re8+, for example 13.Be3 Nf6 14.h3 Be4 15.Qe2 Bc2 16.Nc1 Bd6 17.Nd3 Nxd3! 18.Qxd3 Rxe3+! 19.fxe3 Qg3+ 20.Ke2 Re8 21.Kd2 Ne4+ 22.Kc2 Nf2 where my gut feeling is that black is okay? Obviously white may well have improvements here, but if anyone posts some then I'll do my best for Albineers to try and bust them.

Secondly, if 6.Nb3 Bb4+! 7.Bd2 Qe7 certainly looks playable, and maybe even 6...Qd7 is playable, just looking to castle quickly.

Keep the faith people!

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Reply #18 - 01/12/04 at 10:00:22
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8 Nbd2 looks too slow.  8 Bg5 or 8 Qa4 Be7 9 Rd1 are more to the point.
  
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Reply #17 - 01/12/04 at 09:55:49
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Dear Chessfriends,

Hi! Albin fans.

It's true that the Albin is the only area of 1 d4 d5 that I cover. It's not such a big section and can be described as a dynamic defence so I don't mind keeping it!

Is it any good? Well as my October 2003 update suggests even GMs don't find it so easy to prove an advantage although I would suggest using it mainly as a surprise weapon, as against thorough preparation it may not be so easy to prove enough comp.

Weaker players can't defend so well but they can count pawns!

I remember losing as White against ...h5-h4-hxg3, but White can counter with h2-h4.
  
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Reply #16 - 01/05/04 at 18:25:14
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5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.a3 Qd7 7.b4 and castling queenside is
hardly possible, while White keeps the option of a
kingside fianchetto open.
5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.Nb3 Bb4+ (maybe f6!?) 7.Bd2 Qe7
8.Bxb4 Qxb4+ 9.Qd2 Qxc4 10.Nfxd4 looks good
for White.
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #15 - 01/03/04 at 22:05:32
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Regarding 5.Nbd2 Bf5 in the Albin, 6.Nb3 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 has been given as being clearly better for white by NCO, but 7...Qe7 look playable to me, and 7...Be7 has been suggested on another site.   If 6.a3, why not just 6...Qd7 as in Ward's book?
  
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Reply #14 - 12/28/03 at 21:02:35
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Well, I would be glad if 5.Nbd2 Qe7 was playable, as I gave up the Albin's less than two
years ago. Indeed 6.Nb3 Bg7 7.Bf4 Bxf3 seems good enough; after 8.gxf3
A) not 8...Qb4+ 9.Nd2 Qxb2 10.Bh3 Bb4 11.o-o Bxd2 11.Bxd2 Nxe5 13.Qa4+ c6 14.Bf4
Ng6 15.Rab1 Qxe2 16.Rxb7 and White has a winning attack
B) but 8...Nxe5 9.Bxe5 (9.Nxd4 and now Qb4+ is correct) Qxe5 10.Qd2 o-o-o.

The other idea is less convincing. After 6.g3 Nxe5 7.Nxe5 Qxe5 Fritz of course gives equality, because the material balance is restored. But what about 8.Bg2 Nf6 9.o-o Qe6 10.b3 Bb4 11.Nf3 c5 12.e3 Bc3 13.exd4! Bxa1 14.Re1 Ne4 15.Ng5 +- and I needed Fritz 6 to find the moves, but not for the evaluation?
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #13 - 12/28/03 at 09:28:44
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I think that after 5.Nbd2 Qe7 6. Nb3 Bg4 7. Bf4 Black is o.k. contrary to what Lamford says in his 1983 work (p.55). Fritz 8 analysis to depth 12 completed now gives 7...Bxf3 8. exf3 Nxe5 9. Bxe5 Qxe5 10. Qe2 Qxe2 11. Be2 c5 12. 0-0-0 Bd6 13. Bd3 Ne7 14. Rhe1 0-0-0
(evaluation 0.00 and =).

I agree that the move 6.g3 and idea of Bg2 is more difficult to meet for Black to meet especially if Black plays ... 0-0-0. Check the game Grunfeld - Balogh via htp://www.chesslive.de where Black (the inventor of the ...Qe7 idea after 5.Nbd2) only just escaped with a draw.  Fritz 8 (analysis to depth 14 completed) suggests after 6. g3 the following 6...Nxe5 7. Nxe5 Qxe5 8. Bg2 Nf6 9. 0-0 Qe6 10. Nf3 Qxc4 11. Nxd4 Bc5 12. Nb3 Be7 13. Be3 0-0 and evaluation 0.16 i.e. equal      

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Reply #12 - 12/27/03 at 18:04:30
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What about 5.Nbd2 Qe7 6.g3! and the Black queen is not where it belongs?
Moreover 6.Nb3 Bg4 7.Bf4 poses some problems
(thanks to Lamford, 1983)
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #11 - 12/26/03 at 22:22:33
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After 5.Nbd2 the best move might be 5...Qe7. Thereafter if 6. Nb3 we have 6...Bg4 and if 7. Nbxd4
Black plays 7...0-0-0.

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Reply #10 - 12/22/03 at 21:11:39
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I agree with Glenn Snow, that 8.Nb3 is hard to meet:
8...h6 9.Nfxd4 o-o-o 10.e3 Nxd4 11.exd4 Qg6 is unclear according to Meinsohn, but I'd
rather prefer White after 12.Qf3 Bc2 13.Be2 Bxb3 14.Qxb3 Rxd4 15.Bf3 c6 16.Be3.
Alas the Albin Counter Gambit is close to being refuted.
5.Nbd2 is so strong, because White keeps three options open:
A)the standard king fianchetto.
B)expanding on the queenside with a3, b4.
C)going for the pawn on d4 with an early Nb3.
It is almost impossible for Black to find an antidote against all three of them.
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #9 - 09/29/03 at 00:05:41
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In the 6.a3 f6 7.exf6 Qxf6 I think 8.Nb3 is a hard move to meet.  Now 8...O-O-O is dubious due to 9.Bg5 and if Black takes time out for 8...h6 I think he loses the d-pawn for insufficient compensation.  However, I think "Tim" on ICC still offers a monograph for sale with analysis on this variation.  (within a repertoire with the Albin/Chigorin)
  
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Reply #8 - 09/20/03 at 00:21:22
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New cd from ChessBase!

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The Move order 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 is called Albin Countergambit, and it’s a gambit in the true sense of the word since after 3.dxe5 d4 Black sacrifices a pawn which he won’t get back so easily. This opening is one of the gambits which can’t be refuted, but nevertheless are considered as being inferior. However, what counts in the end is to get well-playable positions – and of course the points you score with them. Furthermore, the fact that Black is immediately dictates the course of action is definitely not to be underrated. Written by Belgian FIDE Master Luc Henris, the CD contains a comprehensive presentation of the theory of this gambit
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Reply #7 - 07/23/03 at 05:36:40
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Yes - I saw the Albin was covered under here too! In reply to 6. a3 I like the gambit 6...f6! as recommended in the video by Andrew Martin in the Albin. White has to play 7. exf6 and then 7...Qxf6, with 0-0-0 to followand Black has quite a large lead in development.

Can White get away making all these slow moves ???
  
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