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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #81 - 04/09/13 at 21:26:59
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I agree about 3.Nc3 vs. 3.Be3 against the French.

Back to the systems against White's other 1.d4 systems, I quite like 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 (and 2...Nc6 can also be played against 2.Bf4), despite Eric Prie's doubts about it.  I don't think it fully equalises, but Black often gets Chigorin Defence-style counterplay, and I think it complements the Albin quite well. 

I have published some analysis at http://tws27.50webs.com/chess/albin2.htm
while I recall hearing that Christoph Scheerer (Wisnewski) covered 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 extensively in his "Play 1...Nc6!" book.
  
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Reply #80 - 04/09/13 at 08:20:14
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Ouch. Not the Be3 stuff vs the French. That's desperation to force that sort of gambit where it really doesn't fit. I think the way that white can't retake on e4 sort of says everything you need to know about that Smiley

If you must lose a pawn then the French wing gambit isn't terrible. Or various broadly anti theory ways to hack after 3 Nc3.
  
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Reply #79 - 04/08/13 at 20:27:58
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Attactics, as you noted, one concern with playing the Albin is that not everybody plays 2. c4, especially at intermediate levels.

Against 1. d4 d5 2. Bf4, probably the simplest is 2. ... e6 and 3. ... Bd6 to challenge that bishop directly. I'm not sure how to turn it into an exciting, open, gambit-esque game, but you should be able to get a reasonable game that way.

Against the more common 2. Nf3, I used to try 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Bf5. Against the Queen's Gambit, this is the Baltic Defense, but the fact that white didn't play 2. c4 eliminates the lines that are toughest for black to meet. Because Colle players want to play Bd3 at some point, and you're directly challenging that diagonal, it really messes with them. Or if you think your opponent will try to play the Colle, you can just go with your old Stonewall, which also messes with Colle players by locking down the e4 square.

If you're interested in the Baltic, there's a book called "Unusual Queen's Gambit Declined" by Chris Ward that covers three unusual lines against the Queen's Gambit, including the Baltic and Albin CounterGambit.

I notice you also mentioned that you're looking for a gambit against the French as white. I like the Alapin Gambit, though I won't try to claim that it's 100% sound. It's 1. e4 e6 2. d4 e5 3. Be3, with the intent of 3. ... dxe4 4. f3 or possibly 4. Nd2 Nf6 before 5. f3, depending on whether you want to delay that f3 or not. I like just going for the immediate f3 when I play it.

  

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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #78 - 04/06/13 at 07:33:21
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YAY! was starting to get a little sick of all the grunfeld and especially stonewall discussions and was wondering if i'd have to create a thread for this myself. i'm trying to drop the stonewall! i hate it! i hate it! i hate it! if any 1.d4 reply deserves this section's "daring defenses to 1.d4" it's the albin! stonewall? daring? how dare you even imply it!  Grin

i watched the great foxy openings video on the albin on youtube a couple times and started transcribing it into a tree to study. it has some really different tactics, particularly Qf4 to g4 behind the bishop, but that's what i live for, and the albin looks only about an infinity funner to play than the stonewall.

didn't read anything just yet, just jumping right in as i can't wait to finish an opening book to study and start playing this.

as this is a specialists thread, could anyone offer gambit repertoire suggestions to compliment the albin? i'll be playing the vector gambit against the english to get that outta my stonewall. i have no clues about 1.Nf3 or bird etc. though i kind of like stonewalling birds just because i know the turf there, but would try something like 1.f4 e5 as a gambit as i know from experience early e pawn breaks destroy the entire stonewall plan at least.

maybe pointers on which lines i'd use the most in a black repertoire would help. as i stonewalled against everything but 1.e4 & 1.g4, i never really noticed how many english vs queen's gambits, vs kings indians etc. i faced as most of the time, the opening is on autopilot in the stonewall.

as to 1.e4, i just dropped the scandinavian and am just trying to play the latvian gambit as much like king's gambit as possible. i'm literally re-building my entire black repertiore with latvian and albin as my main black lines.

i'd really appreciate a payback line against 1.d4 d5 2.Bf5. that one used to ruin my stonewall plan, now i'd like a battle plan against that in particular.

what about other albin sidesteps? i'd guess not much more than half of 1.d4 players play 2.c4. that's another stumbling block to my not playing it yesterday. declined lines are always the most annoying for gambiteers. am i right?

as an "introduction" while i'm here, i just dropped wing gambit for smith morra gambit in the sicilian and instantly got it and love it. i'm still fishing around for a rip the french a new one gambit and have dabbled with diemer duhm gambit (awesome theory tree online!) and have done best with the exchange french probably so far. was planning to get 4 gambits to beat the french and figure it out. i'm still playing king's knight gambit but want to start from scratch with the "newer" king's bishop gambit. had success with 150 attack pirc and need theory to re-learn it possibly as a smith morra alternative even, still play krejcik alekhine (1.e4 Nf6 2.Bc4 Nxe4 3.Bxf7+!?), have had mixed results with ulysses gambit in the carokann, play the tennison gambit in the scandinavian very badly and would try the blackmar diemer instead if i could find sawyer's unobtanium book and maybe even use it as a plan B to 1.e4, but that would require a 1.d4 repertoire, and generally play e4/d4 against hypermoderns and anything else i can.

as black, just switched from scandinavian to latvian gambit and plan to learn the vector gambit in the english as i patch up the theory holes in my repertoire with the new latvian and albin countergambit systems i'm learning.

another line at the top of my study list is the falkbeer counter gambit in king's gambit and learn it from both sides against y'all here. i've only seen a few king's gambits as black so far and played 1 or 2 symmetricals and at least 1x 2...Be7 which annoys me as white

this is the kind of resource i need to find a gambit repertoire without playing the needle in a haystack game trying to dig lines up from scratch. if it wasn't the albin, it would be budapest, and a repertoire for 1...Nf6's theory gaps.

i'd be happy to answer any questions anyone might have about the gambits i play too. scorned as we gambiteers are by grandmasters, it's hard for us to build repertoires.

i have two gambit repertoire books that didn't help much. that's a joke a few of you should get. i don't get the prices used albin books go for either. was going to get a smaller repertoire book that has the albin in it to compliment the albin video. i just hope the rest of you albin players leave me a few scalps until i start playing it.
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #77 - 08/19/08 at 14:40:43
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this thread has gotten off topic. theoretically everyone was worried about 5.nbd2, but what if qe7 6.g3 f6!? 7.exf6 nxf6  and if 8.bg2 d3!?
  
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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #76 - 07/29/08 at 08:52:20
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Mnb, sounds like a good summary for attacking. I would mention one other point though, that is not to forget about other areas of the board in particular with regards to tactics. Many an attacking game is not decided by the attack, but by a "random" chance which occurs during the attack (or the attack itself is justified by it).
Ie check the game Kasparov-Topalov 1999 (one of the very best ever games) where a whole attack is justified by a loose rook on h8 (captured at the end).
  

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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #75 - 07/28/08 at 22:55:47
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After some thinking I have decided to be unkind and not answer your questions. The answers might distract from the relevant points. Maybe I will change my mind later, after all man is a curious being.
Instead I will offer you some general principles on attacking the opponent's king. Be a bit suspicious, I am only a mediocre player, but still I managed to conduct a few crushing attacks. Moreover these principles helped me to understand when and why I failed - that also happened quite often.

1. Never think you have a winning attack until you either deliver mate, can prove a decisive material advantage (and make sure it is big enough to meet the counterattack) or simplify to a winning endgame. Defenders typically do not cooperate and will resist stubbornly until the very end. Some players even rejoice rebouncing attacks.
2. We all know Steinitz' principle of economic defence. Well, the attack has to be economic as well. Use your pieces as effective as possible. Like in most types of positions the attacker has to ask him(her) self quite often which of his pieces are not optimally placed and which are their best squares. Don't stretch this though, it does not make sense to manoevre a piece to a better square if you can deliver the decisive blow. This is why you should have changed your evaluation after the manoeuvre Nb3-a5-b3; it's not economic.
3. An attack generally fails if the attacker does not use more pieces than the defender. Don't forget to count the opponent's king as well. That's why your position was not winning after 14...Bc5 15.Ba3. It is not a matter of cracking nuts; it's a matter of judgment.
4. Force/spot a weakness. Sometimes this weakness is a result of the opening; Albin's Gambiteers see 6.g3 as part of their compensation. This is why it does not make much sense to analyse 16.Nxb7 further; it must be superior because after winning back the black Bishop there is a weakness, while after 16.Nb3 there isn't. You can't exploit a weakness if there isn't any. Black's main weakness in the Albin's is that very pawn on d4 by the way.
5. This one is essentially the same as point 3, but it is neglected so often by amateurs that I still mention it separately. Involve as many pieces in the attack as possible. Especially don't forget the rooks! You only developed your first rook when it was already too late. Even if the rooks do not contribute directly, they should be activated. Have you noticed that you only played 21.Rad1 when it already was too late? Imagine that you could have two moves for free, how nice it would have been to place your rooks on d1 and b1 (or c1)!
6. Exchanging defending pieces is tricky, because two principles work against each other. A local majority of 3 (attacking pieces) vs 2 (defending ones) is bigger than 4 vs 3. At the other hand defending pieces tend to get in each other's way. So only exchange when it clearly improves your attack. That's why your opponent played Bg4-h3xg2; this stresses the weaknesses of f3, g2 and h3 and btw also removes a potential attacker.
In your case the exchange of the black squared bishops was wrong because you did not have a local piece majority at all. 2 : 2 is certainly not better, rather worse for the attacker than 3 : 3.

May I give you a recommendation for study? There are a couple of books on conducting an attack these days, but I don't know them as I am getting old and lazy. There were hardly any 25 years ago, when I still thought I had some talent. Many amateurs are baffled by the wizardry of Tal and Shirov, try to imitate them and miserably fail. How much I enjoy their games, I think they are the wrong examples. Mine was Karpov. He won quite a few attacking games, especially when playing the Jugoslav and Keres Attack as White. The only times Kasparov got beaten by a king's attack was against Karpov. In my opinion his games are very instructive. From a positional point of view his moves, even his sacs, almost always are crystal clear. So play through his games (some opponents are Kortsjnoj, Sax and Timman) and ask yourself: why does he play this? How does it improve his position and strengthen his attack? This helped me, that's for sure.
  

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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #74 - 07/28/08 at 08:39:25
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MNb wrote on 07/28/08 at 00:50:14:
Good tries are 6.a3 and 6.h3 first, but I suppose you want to develop first before forcing anything. Then 8.h3 deserves consideration. White wants Black to declare his intentions before the mutual attack. You will ask how castling can be wrong. Of course it isn't. It is just that the stakes are getting higher. We should note that Kortsjnoj preferred 12.Bb2 Nxf3+ 13.exf3 Bf5 14.Nb3, so you might have considered 14.Bb2 as well. The idea is to play that bishop to d4. Also 14.Rd1 and 14.Nxd4 Bxg2 (Qxd4 15.Be3) 15.Nc6+ similar to your line look better. Maybe 14.Na5 is the move to blame, in any case it is a step in the wrong direction. You are trying to attack with two pieces before you are fully developed. Moreover you give Black the chance to finish his development by giving up square c5. When attacking you have to make as few concessions as possible! The next question is: why 16.Nb3 ? Do you really think it worth two tempi to lure Black's bishop from f8 to b6? You should have played the 16.Nxb7 Kxb7 17.c5, which is at least unclear. Then I do not understand 18.Bc5. You are violating the principle not to exchange an active piece for a passive one. Of course 18.c5 Bc7 19.bxc6 would have been consequent. It admits that your attack has gone, but your Nb3-a5-b3 appeared to be an exchange manoeuvre wasting even more precious time with 18.Bc5. For what have you returned your pawn on e5 then? Just do a count: White has Qa4, Nb3 and Ba3 in the attack, Black has Kb8, Bb6 and Qd7 in the defence. How could such an attack ever succeed? Black has that passed pawn and must be better. Finally 20.Bxd4 is a straightforward mistake. 20.Bxb6 axb6 21.Rad1 and White is fully in the game; I would have preferred 19...Bxc5 20.Nxc5 Qd5 as Black, with the better prospects.
You thought you had a winning attack, probably because of your more active pieces at some stage. I have learned not to feel that optimistic when conducting an attack. Where you essentially failed is to force a weakness in Black's defensive position around his king. Instead you neglected your own weaknesses, especially on the white squares around your king. Now these weaknesses were structural after 13.exf3. You had to compensate (or, if possible, more than compensate) by mercilessly hammering on Black's d-pawn or equally mercilessly forcing a weakness around Black's King. Spending tempi to exchange one opponent's defender certainly is not the way to go.
I am sorry to be so harsh, but conducting an attack against the opponent's king seems to be a weakness in your play. I write this because based on your posts in many other types of play you seem to be better than me.


Hmm, I guess you are right. I like positional games better than attacking ones, although I play the Sicilian and usually get opposite castling positions. I guess I underestimated the resources of Black and the weaknesses around my king after the bishop is gone. Thought the 4 pawns give enough protection, and black has not even started to push the h-pawn yet. I guess I dont understand the positions.

I played 14.Na5 because I did not see the ...Bc5 ideas in the sub variation I gave. I thought that if he took the g2 bishop, I win. Also, I thought that after 14...Bc5, 15.Ba3 is winning for me. You were right, I was thinking about exchanging defenders to , or making doubled b-pawns. But it seemed to be a tough nut to crack.

I have two questions regarding your analysis. Black can play 18...cxb5 first before moving the bishop. That was why I did not play it in the game. Also, after 16.Nxb7 Kxb7 17.c5, I failed to see how to continue the attack. True, after I win back the piece, the light square holes are weak, but White can't really seem to make use of them with his remaining bishop. If he has a knight, he wins, but he has just saced it. If he does not take back the pieces and play c6, I still cannot see how to continue the attack.

Maybe your Fritz or Rykba can tell me something. My only chess engines are the engines that come with Chessbase 8 Sad
  
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Reply #73 - 07/28/08 at 00:50:14
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Good tries are 6.a3 and 6.h3 first, but I suppose you want to develop first before forcing anything. Then 8.h3 deserves consideration. White wants Black to declare his intentions before the mutual attack. You will ask how castling can be wrong. Of course it isn't. It is just that the stakes are getting higher. We should note that Kortsjnoj preferred 12.Bb2 Nxf3+ 13.exf3 Bf5 14.Nb3, so you might have considered 14.Bb2 as well. The idea is to play that bishop to d4. Also 14.Rd1 and 14.Nxd4 Bxg2 (Qxd4 15.Be3) 15.Nc6+ similar to your line look better. Maybe 14.Na5 is the move to blame, in any case it is a step in the wrong direction. You are trying to attack with two pieces before you are fully developed. Moreover you give Black the chance to finish his development by giving up square c5. When attacking you have to make as few concessions as possible! The next question is: why 16.Nb3 ? Do you really think it worth two tempi to lure Black's bishop from f8 to b6? You should have played the 16.Nxb7 Kxb7 17.c5, which is at least unclear. Then I do not understand 18.Bc5. You are violating the principle not to exchange an active piece for a passive one. Of course 18.c5 Bc7 19.bxc6 would have been consequent. It admits that your attack has gone, but your Nb3-a5-b3 appeared to be an exchange manoeuvre wasting even more precious time with 18.Bc5. For what have you returned your pawn on e5 then? Just do a count: White has Qa4, Nb3 and Ba3 in the attack, Black has Kb8, Bb6 and Qd7 in the defence. How could such an attack ever succeed? Black has that passed pawn and must be better. Finally 20.Bxd4 is a straightforward mistake. 20.Bxb6 axb6 21.Rad1 and White is fully in the game; I would have preferred 19...Bxc5 20.Nxc5 Qd5 as Black, with the better prospects.
You thought you had a winning attack, probably because of your more active pieces at some stage. I have learned not to feel that optimistic when conducting an attack. Where you essentially failed is to force a weakness in Black's defensive position around his king. Instead you neglected your own weaknesses, especially on the white squares around your king. Now these weaknesses were structural after 13.exf3. You had to compensate (or, if possible, more than compensate) by mercilessly hammering on Black's d-pawn or equally mercilessly forcing a weakness around Black's King. Spending tempi to exchange one opponent's defender certainly is not the way to go.
I am sorry to be so harsh, but conducting an attack against the opponent's king seems to be a weakness in your play. I write this because based on your posts in many other types of play you seem to be better than me.
  

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Re: Is the Albin Any Good
Reply #72 - 07/27/08 at 13:34:03
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Hi,

This is a Albin Game that I played. Maybe you guys can tell me where I played wrongly? I am white and lost terribly. But I thought I had a winning attack. However, I just can't seem to complete it

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Nbd2 Bg4 6. g3 Qd7 7. Bg2 O-O-O 8.
O-O Nge7 9. b4 Ng6 10. Qa4 Kb8 11. b5 Ncxe5 12. Nb3 Nxf3+ 13. exf3 Bh3 14. Na5
Bc5 (14... Bxg2 15. Nc6+ bxc6 16. bxc6 Qc8 17. Rb1+ Ka8 18. Rb7 Bc5 19. Ba3
Bxf1 20. Bxc5 Qxb7 21. cxb7+ Kxb7 22. Qb5+ Kc8 23. Kxf1 d3) 15. Ba3 Bb6 16. Nb3
(16. Bxh3 Qxh3 17. Nb3 Ne5) 16... Bxg2 17. Kxg2 c6 18. Bc5 cxb5 19. cxb5 Ne5
20. Bxd4 Bxd4 21. Rad1 Nxf3 22. Rd3 Nh4+ 23. gxh4 Qg4+ 24. Rg3 Qe4+ 25. Kh3
Qf5+ 26. Kg2 Qe4+ 27. Kh3 g5 28. hxg5 (28. Rxg5) 28... h6 29. g6 Rd5 0-1

  
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Reply #71 - 06/17/08 at 01:38:51
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After 5.Nbd2 Qe7 6.g3 Bg4 7.Bg2 0-0-0 8.0-0 Black should ask him/herself what to do with Bf8 and why the Queen should be better on e7 than on d7. Moreover there are 7.h3 and 8.h3 to consider.
  

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Reply #70 - 06/16/08 at 02:44:02
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what about bg4 after g3? now blacks planning to 0-0-0
  
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Reply #69 - 06/15/08 at 14:32:25
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Endodontics is the field you enter when your dentist has to resort to doing something to your tooth's nerve... (replace tooth by teeth if you are even more unlucky than that).

(How come I associate this with 'pearly gates' ?)
  
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Reply #68 - 06/15/08 at 11:23:03
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drkodos wrote on 06/14/08 at 23:16:29:
When I pick the wrong opponent its worse than endodontics.   Grin

We poor Dutchies don't learn such difficult words at high school. Please explain.
I agree with your evaluation of the Albin's. Playing it at corr chess was great fun twice, but also masochism two other times.
  

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Reply #67 - 06/14/08 at 23:16:29
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Rustam K. has a new CB DVD coming out soon on the Albin. 

I belive interest in the line has been picking up (mildly), and I think it offers good practical chances otb despite notion theoretically is still in ICU. 

I'm planning on using it and the Budapest at least one time each (if chance permits) at this year WO.  If one can pick the right opponent to un-cork em, they are real fun.  When I pick the wrong opponent its worse than endodontics.   Grin

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Reply #66 - 06/14/08 at 16:11:51
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Just return the pawn and develop, say 6.g3 Nxe5 7.Nxe5 Qxe5 8.Nf3 and 9.Bg2. White will have active pieces and pawn d4 is a target.
  

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Reply #65 - 06/14/08 at 02:53:41
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did anyone ever refute the 5.nbd2 qe7 line for black? It looks tricky at least
  
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Reply #64 - 01/08/08 at 12:25:04
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The Albin seems also very attractive to me as the Chigorin or the budapest at a least level


rooksway18 wrote on 01/05/08 at 20:07:31:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.de d
I too am an ex Albin player, MNb (but I prefer 5...Bf5 over 5...Nge7 in answer to 5.g3 or 5.Nbd2) so the Albin's soundness is interesting to me for some of the same reasons.


Here's one reason why I'm reluctant to play the Albin:

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.de d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.g3 Bf5 6.Bg2 Qd7 7.00 (the line '5...Bf5 Albin players' hope for!?)

Now 7...Bh6 (7...000 8.Qb3 has been miserable for black, although IM Tim Taylor tried 7...000 against GM Varuzhan Akobian who prefered 8.Qa4 Bh3 9.a3 Bg2 10.Kg2 h5 11.h4 Nh6 12.b4 Kb8 13.b5 Ne7 14.Bg5 in 03'; white eventually won. I offer 9...h5 as a possible improvement, with the idea of getting in a quick ...h4 before white can block it with h4 as GM Akobian did.)

8.e6 ("...buys white a move. In this position, black would have no qualms about that at all, but in another situation..." C.Ward) 8...Be6

But now I have a qualm with 9.Qb3. I tried 9...Na5 but then lost to 10.Qd3, which seems to give white a nice advantage, while 9...Rb8 looks wrong although it may threaten 10...b5 to win the pinned c4 pawn.


I just saw a recent game with this thema with a very short analysis I added (I spent always few minutes sorry)....and it is french notation. This line always seems venimous


Martinovic,S (2400) - Dimitrov,R (2254) [D09]
Open Pula CRO (5), 26.06.2007

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Cf3 Cc6 5.g3 Fg4 6.Fg2 Dd7 7.0-0 0-0-0 8.Db3 Cge7 9.Td1 [9.Fg5 h6 10.Fxe7 Fxe7 11.Ca3 (11.Cbd2 h5 12.Tfd1 Df5 13.Dd3 Dxd3 14.exd3 g5) 11...The8] 9...Df5 10.Ca3 [10.Cg5 h6 11.Fe4 Dxe5] 10...Cg6 11.Da4 d3 12.Fe3 Fxa3 13.bxa3 dxe2 14.Txd8+ Txd8 15.Cd2 Cgxe5 16.Fe4 Dxe4 0-1


  
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MNb wrote on 12/31/04 at 07:57:14:
After 5...Bf5 6.a3 is best. We have discussed that before in this thread.


1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.de d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.a3 Qd7 MNb also mentions 7.b4, but I found some interesting games with 7...Bxb4, and also a game with 7...Qe6, looking to regain the gambit pawn since white is playing somewhat slowly (the pin set up on the d file with a ...000 looks nice for black).

In this thread, MNb also gave 6.Nb3 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 Qe7 8.Bb4 Qb4+ 9.Qd2 as better for white, but why not 9...Qd2+? For example: 10.Nbd2 000 11.000 Nge7 12.e3 Ng6 to play ...Nxe5?  

I too am an ex Albin player, MNb (but I prefer 5...Bf5 over 5...Nge7 in answer to 5.g3 or 5.Nbd2) so the Albin's soundness is interesting to me for some of the same reasons.


Here's one reason why I'm reluctant to play the Albin:

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.de d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.g3 Bf5 6.Bg2 Qd7 7.00 (the line '5...Bf5 Albin players' hope for!?)

Now 7...Bh6 (7...000 8.Qb3 has been miserable for black, although IM Tim Taylor tried 7...000 against GM Varuzhan Akobian who prefered 8.Qa4 Bh3 9.a3 Bg2 10.Kg2 h5 11.h4 Nh6 12.b4 Kb8 13.b5 Ne7 14.Bg5 in 03'; white eventually won. I offer 9...h5 as a possible improvement, with the idea of getting in a quick ...h4 before white can block it with h4 as GM Akobian did.)

8.e6 ("...buys white a move. In this position, black would have no qualms about that at all, but in another situation..." C.Ward) 8...Be6

But now I have a qualm with 9.Qb3. I tried 9...Na5 but then lost to 10.Qd3, which seems to give white a nice advantage, while 9...Rb8 looks wrong although it may threaten 10...b5 to win the pinned c4 pawn.
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As far as I know 3...a6 is the main reply to 3. Nc3 in the QGA.  I certainly don't believe that White is fighting for equality in the case of 3. Nc3 e5 4. e3.
  
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alumbrado wrote on 12/20/07 at 11:36:27:
Black has 3...dxc4, of course, transposing to the QGA  line 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nc3!? and then 3...e5, which I think is the main response to 3.Nc3.  that might put a lot of White players off if this is not their weapon of choice vs the QGA.



As well it should, as this line is not so good for white giving away all initiative and fighting for equality after move 3.

  

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Black has 3...dxc4, of course, transposing to the QGA  line 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nc3!? and then 3...e5, which I think is the main response to 3.Nc3.  that might put a lot of White players off if this is not their weapon of choice vs the QGA.
  

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If anyone wants to try something off-beat against the Albin, take a look at

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1122821205/105#116

dealing with 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.Nc3. This seems no as innocent as theory wants us to believe.
Please scroll down a bit.
  

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I'm curious what you guys think of 1.d4 d4 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bf4 ? This line is annoying as white can protect e5 and set up e3. What do you guys think is the best way for black to continue?

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5...Nge7 6.Nbd2 Ng6 7.Bg3 h5 8.h4 Bf5 9.Qb3 Qd7 is no problem for black.

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As you may have read in some other posts, I loved your The Slav for the Tournament Player and hope you'll write an updated version soon.  I know that you recently published a Starting Out book on the Slav and Semi-Slav, but it just made me hungrier for a more theoretical book on the Slav itself.  Do you have any plans for such a book in the future?
  
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Hi!

After 1 d4 d5 2 c4 e5 3 dxe5 d4 I'm dealing with 'Spassky's' 4 e4 in the October update.

As for 4 Nf3 Nc6 5 Nbd2 if Morozevich can beat world class players with 5...Nge7 then it can't be too bad!
It all depends on who is handling the Black pieces, I'm not sure the Albin will suit everyone. Keep reading the updates to see if it's for you... (shameless self-advertising, but....).

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Urusov,

I took a look at your website and you have some interesting information there.  The Albin seems well suited to players such as Morozevich who like to fish in murky water. 

Moro is well known for his love of obscure lines that work well in blitz, and even in longer games but he never sits still.  His repertoire would probably not withstand the close scrutiny of repeatedly playing the same lines against other 2700+ players so he is wise to mix things up quite a bit.

Of course, if he can be successful this way at the elite level an expert should be able to do similarly well at the expert level.  I know from personal experience that I face the Albin about 3 times in a decade.  My record in my last three were 1-2.  The one win was in a slow time control and the two losses were in fast time controls.  I don't think that's a coincidence.

My opponent all three times was the same expert who is a very nice guy with lots and lots of tricks up his sleeve.  But I just don't believe in his opening.

Unfortunately for me though, I don't invest very much time working out the middle game plans in the Albin because I just don't see them very often.  And my laziness bites me every time I play him a quick game!

Your website mostly confirms what I already know:  The Albin is very tricky, but it isn't a reliable weapon unless you have many such tricky openings in your repertoire or you don't play in very many tournaments.
  
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I'm glad the conversation finally got around to the critical line, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Nbd2! Nge7!? which Nakamura and Morozevich have both used with success.  But neither have had to face the recommended 6.Nb3 Nf5 7.e4! going into an advantageous ending.

I recently posted an annotated bibliography on the Albin focused on ...Nge7 for Black:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2005/10/albin-counter-gambit-bi...

As I say there, it seems to be the Albin's last stand....  But if the GMs have a solution to 7.e4 then maybe it's playable.  In any case, it's interesting that none of the writers claiming to "refute" the Albin considers ...Nge7 lines.

I also annotate the fascinating game Topalov-Morozevich, Monte Carlo Rapid 2005 for you Albin fans:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2005/10/topalov-morozevich-mont...

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That's right.  Also explains Nakamura's success.

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The Albin is pretty much a C+ opening.  A few tricks to avoid, and white is better.  It's main value is surprise.  However, some people won't be surprised, and then black usually loses.


I guess the only way to explain Morozevich's success is that a C+ opening in the hands of an A+ player ends up being a B/B+ performance.
  
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I'd just like to know what people think of the Albin Counter Gambit 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. de d4 4. Nf3 (best) Nc6. I think Black gets good chances after something like 5. g3 Bf5 6. Bg2 Qd7 7. 0-0 h5 8. Nbd2 Be7! This stops Ng5 and allows Black also to play ...h4 without losing another pawn

This has to be a good try at my bog-standard level of chess when my oppenents cannot defend!

Your thoughts please

The Albin is pretty much a C+ opening.  A few tricks to avoid, and white is better.  It's main value is surprise.  However, some people won't be surprised, and then black usually loses.

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Well, this may be so, but where is the refutation? Isn't Krasenkov--Morozevich the most critical? Or is it just one critical line among several?
  
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I doubt we'll see any rush to play the Albin despite some of its recent successes.  It's one of those borderline openings that works as an occasional surprise, but I would never rely on it.  In fact, if a strong player were to play it regularly in my neck of the woods, I would definitely prepare for it and feel lucky that he was flirting with disaster!
  
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I don't know anything about this opening so I may be speaking out of turn, but in Krasenkov--Morozevich I found myself wondering if 11 ...Be7 is Black's only option. The idea is clear, but is it good if, as seems, White can avoid coming under K-side attack? The suggested improvement 17 ...a6 still seems good for White to me.

I haven't had time for a close look at this yet, but I wondered about:

(1)  11 ...Bb4 with a possible threat of ...Bd2 and ...e4.

(2)  11 ...Nge7 with thoughts of embarrassing the Bh4 intead of exchanging it.

(3) 11 ... Qg4 with similar ideas.

Have these tries been refuted?

  
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I'm curious what you guys think of 1.d4 d4 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bf4 ? This line is annoying as white can protect e5 and set up e3. What do you guys think is the best way for black to continue?
  
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Maybe 5.Nbd2 Nge7 6.Nb3 (6.a3!?) Nf5 and now 7.e4 feels better.
  
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Glenn's latest update shows Black doing very well in the Albin.  If Nakamura can nick half a point off the no-nonsense Dreev, the Albin is surely playable... for now at least.

Certainly the Albin has some irritant value: I don't feel like i'm playing 1. d4 when the black pawn is on d4!  Angry

The Nge7 Albin may well be critical. Most sources (Palliser, Bosch in NIC SOS etc.) cite Krasenkow-Morozevich Podolsk 1993 as the way to go for white, but Bosch thinks the game is about equal if Black had improved with 17...a6. He might be a little optimistic here and I agree with Palliser White has an edge. But is there something more convincing for white...?
  
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Reply #44 - 03/11/05 at 16:36:30
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Sure, it is exactly what Black wants. So play 6.a3! and if Black prepares queenside castling it is White who will come first: Nge7 7.b4 Qd7 8.b5! Na5 9.Qa4 b6 10.Bb2 and White is already clearly better.
  

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What do you think of the line 1d4 d5 2 c4 e5 3 de5 d4 4 Nf3 Nc6 5 Nbd2 Be6 6 g3 Qd7 7 Fg2 Bh3 8 0-0 h5?
It gives me a lot of trouble with White. Angry
  

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The only game I could find with a similar idea is Bingel-Weise, Süder Sommer Open 1996. Black's play was not exemplary.
So here there is only one reaction possible: try it in your games. Maybe the Harskamp Variation will become the most topical of the Albin's within a few years. Who knows?
  

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whtaabout 5. .... g6 in reply to 5. g3? Can't find any information, but it looks quite good
  
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well it must have some merit seeing as Morozevich is still winning at the highest level with it, beating Sokolov as Black with it shows that it still packs a punch.
  
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6.h3 Bxf3 7.Nxf3 Bb4+ 8.Bd2 Qe7 9.g3 (9.Bxb4 and 9.a3 are about equal, but Black can hardly play for a win) o-o-o 10.Bg2 Nxe5 (I am not sure about d3) 11.o-o! gives White an enduring edge, Miralles-Pergericht 1988.
After 5...Bf5 6.a3 is best. We have discussed that before in this thread.
  

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I think...White can play the more precise 6.h3, intending Bxf3 8.Nxf3 and Bh5 8.g3. In both cases White can maintain an advantage.


6.a3 IS best preventing Bb4+ in the line 6.h3?! Bxf3! 7.Nxf3 Bb4+ (eliminating the two bishop advantage) 8.Bd2 Qe7 planning ...O-O-O, Nxe5, Nf6.  It is not clear to me that White's attack is faster than Black's here.

Similiarly 5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.Nb3 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 (now Black's d-pawn is safe) so in this position 7...Be7! 8.g3 (8.Bc1?! Bb4+ is a draw if White wants one) with some compensation for the pawn, e.g., 8...f6! 9.exf6 Nxf6 with a double edge game.  Black can castle to either side depending upon White's response.  Black will need tactical acumen to win this, but the position is conducive to such an  approach.  What your opinion?
  
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I think 7...Bh5 better than 7...Bxf3, the first leading to unclear play. But White can play the more precise 6.h3, intending Bxf3 8.Nxf3 and Bh5 8.g3. In both cases White can maintain an advantage.
  

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1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Nbd2! Bg4 6.a3 Qe7 7.h3 Bxf3 (I cannot believe, that giving up the pair of bishops is the solution) 8.Nxf3 o-o-o 9.Bg5! as in Marshall-Showalter, USAch m 1909, is also pretty good for White.


OK, but how about the 7...Bh5 line that I quoted above?
  
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1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Nbd2! Bg4 6.a3 Qe7 7.h3 Bxf3 (I cannot believe, that giving up the pair of bishops is the solution) 8.Nxf3 o-o-o 9.Bg5! as in Marshall-Showalter, USAch m 1909, is also pretty good for White.
What is the idea of 6...Nh6 ? The first continuations for White to look at, are 7.g3 and 7.h3.
  

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<5.Nbd2 f6 6.exf6 Nxf6 7.a3 Bg4 8.h3 Bh5 9.g4 Bg6 10.Bg2 Be7 11.O-O O-O 12.b4 Ne4! planning ...Bf6>

In this position White has 13.Nxe4 Bxe4 14.b5 Na5 15.Qxd4 as Bf6 16.Qxe4 Bxa1 fails to 17.Ng5!
Also 11.b4 Ne4 12.Bb2 Bf6 13.Nxd4 promises an advantage:
a)13...Nxf2 14.Nxc6 Nxd1 15.Nxd8 Nxb2 16.Ne6.
b)13...Nxd4 14.Nxe4 Nf3+ 15.Bxf3 Bxb2 16.Qxd8+.
Moreover White has 9.b4 Be7 10.Bb2 o-o 11.b5.
As stated before: 5.Nbd2 is so strong because it is flexible.


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But, what is the problem with :
1)d4 d5 2)c4 e5 3)dxe5 d4 4)Nf3 Nc6 5)Nbd2 Bg4! 6)a3 Qe7! (6)...Nh6!? is an other idea !?)
I didn't find any big problem for black with this plan !?
For example :
7) h3 BxNf3 8)NxBf3 OOO 9)Qd3 Nxe5 10)Qf5+ Nd7 11)Nxd4 g6 12) Qa5 Ne5!? (12)...a6!?) or 12)... Nb6!? are interesting as well ) and white has to be very carefull !
Any comment ?


This is interesting, though if you read my previous post I am suspicious of ...O-O-O lines.  Here the congress of Nbd2, a3, and h3 could be considered wasted moves (though Nbd2 and h3 are time making threats), so your plan may be well founded.  My concern in O-O-O lines for Black is opposite side castling by White coupled with a Q-side attack which is almost always faster than Black's K-side attack.  I would test the line not with the defensive 9.Qd3 but 9.g3 giving back the pawn for an attack: 9...Nxe5 10.Bg2 with the idea O-O, Bf4, Qa4 in some order, with a raging attack and no K-side counterplay that I see.  What do you think?
  
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But, what is the problem with :
1)d4 d5 2)c4 e5 3)dxe5 d4 4)Nf3 Nc6 5)Nbd2 Bg4! 6)a3 Qe7! (6)...Nh6!? is an other idea !?)
I didn't find any big problem for black with this plan !?
For example :
7) h3 BxNf3 8)NxBf3 OOO 9)Qd3 Nxe5 10)Qf5+ Nd7 11)Nxd4 g6 12) Qa5 Ne5!? (12)...a6!?) or 12)... Nb6!? are interesting as well ) and white has to be very carefull !
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<5.Nbd2 f6 6.exf6 Nxf6 7.a3 Bg4 8.h3 Bh5 9.g4 Bg6 10.Bg2 Be7 11.O-O O-O 12.b4 Ne4! planning ...Bf6>

In this position White has 13.Nxe4 Bxe4 14.b5 Na5 15.Qxd4 as Bf6 16.Qxe4 Bxa1 fails to 17.Ng5!
Also 11.b4 Ne4 12.Bb2 Bf6 13.Nxd4 promises an advantage:
a)13...Nxf2 14.Nxc6 Nxd1 15.Nxd8 Nxb2 16.Ne6.
b)13...Nxd4 14.Nxe4 Nf3+ 15.Bxf3 Bxb2 16.Qxd8+.
Moreover White has 9.b4 Be7 10.Bb2 o-o 11.b5.
As stated before: 5.Nbd2 is so strong because it is flexible.
  

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Reply #30 - 10/23/04 at 22:54:00
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First I want to state, that I will be glad if the Albin's is playable - I have played it several years.
5.Nbd2 f6 6.exf6 Nxf6 7.a3 Bg4 8.h3 Bh5 9.g4 Bg6 10.Bg2 Qe7 11.o-o o-o-o (Raetsky/Tsjetverik) and now 12.b4 gives White the better chances.
Is the White king really that unsafe?

I think the Albin is  playable as 5.Nbd2 is the only critical line I have discovered (how many people know that) and Pruch'a plan is the only viable way to play the Albin (ans virtually no one including Raetsky et. al. know that)   By "playable, I mean no slightly disavantaged endgames by force and good tactical chances over the board.  Objectively, White is better in these main lines of course, but this is subjective, "who has studied their combinations the most" chess.

Raetsky's 11...O-O-O is a common blunder.  You can only castle Q-side in the Albin when White has made a series of unnecessary defensive moves which clearly hasn't occurred in this line.  Instead we must (pro Prucha) castle K-side so: 10...Be7 11.O-O O-O 12.b4 Ne4! planning ...Bf6 and the position is getting Albiny.
  
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Reply #29 - 10/23/04 at 19:10:41
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First I want to state, that I will be glad if the Albin's is playable - I have played it several years.
5.Nbd2 f6 6.exf6 Nxf6 7.a3 Bg4 8.h3 Bh5 9.g4 Bg6 10.Bg2 Qe7 11.o-o o-o-o (Raetsky/Tsjetverik) and now 12.b4 gives White the better chances.
Is the White king really that unsafe?
  

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Reply #28 - 10/22/04 at 12:32:21
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My opinion is that Black has problems after 5.Nbd2 f6 6.exf6 Nxf6 (already played by Tartakower) 7.a3 a5 8.Nb3 and Prucha's plan is prevented. See Sämisch-Becker,1927.
Theory prefers 7...Bf5 8.Nb3 (8.b4 Qd7 9.Bb2 looks strong to me) Qe7 but 9.g3 o-o-o 10.Bg2 proves the Black queen on the wrong square.
So thumbs down for 5...f6.


In your line after 7.a3 Bg5 is a standard Albin move which thwarts 8.Nb3 which would win Black's d-pawn contra Prucha (I have no idea why "theory" prefers 7...Bf5 once 7.a3 has made ...Nb4 impossible and ...O-O-O in that same line is contra Prucha).  So 7...Bg5 is necessary if one hopes to stick to the Prucha plan.  The most direct counter to this idea appears to be 8.h3 when 8...Bh5! lets White decide if he enjoys not having a safe place for his King for the pawn after 9.g4 Bg6 or fall further behind in development after 9.b4 Bd6!  I don't see how White can avoid coming under an attack in either case which is just what the Albin orders.
  
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Reply #27 - 10/20/04 at 19:19:32
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My opinion is that Black has problems after 5.Nbd2 f6 6.exf6 Nxf6 (already played by Tartakower) 7.a3 a5 8.Nb3 and Prucha's plan is prevented. See Sämisch-Becker,1927.
Theory prefers 7...Bf5 8.Nb3 (8.b4 Qd7 9.Bb2 looks strong to me) Qe7 but 9.g3 o-o-o 10.Bg2 proves the Black queen on the wrong square.
So thumbs down for 5...f6.
  

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Reply #26 - 10/18/04 at 16:45:07
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Czech Master Karel Prucha offered the following principles for the Albin player:

The Albin is playable only as a pure gambit, i.e., superior piece activity vs. material.  Therefore no ...Nge7-g6 to win the e-pawn but instead ...f6 and:

1) after ...f6, Black must castle K-side(!);
2) keep the d-pawn at any cost, so ...Qd7 to add a defender to d4 with ...Rd8 as well allow ...Bh6 to thwart white's Q-side fianchetto;
3) dark squared B to c5 which means that if White plays a3 then ...a5 is necessary to stop b2-b4.

If Prucha is right, this suggests that in the critical line 5.Nbd2, 5...f6 is the proper move.  Black cannot allow Nb3xd4 on positional grounds (e.g, even if he wins the e-pawn black will stand worse after the d-pawn is exchanged).  After 6.exf6 Nxf6 black castles K-side with a potential attack there as well as potential pressure on white's backward e-pawn.  What y'all think?
  
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Here's another ray of sunshine that I picked up off of another BB - Morozevich has beaten Gelfand with the Albin's at Melody Amber!

[Event "Amber Blindfold"]
[Site "Monte Carlo MNC"]
[Date "2004.03.25"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Gelfand,B"]
[Black "Morozevich,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2709"]
[BlackElo "2732"]
[EventDate "2004.03.20"]
[ECO "D09"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. g3 Nge7 6. Bg2 Ng6 7. Bg5 Qd7 8. O-O h6 9. Bf4 Nxf4 10. gxf4 g5 11. Nbd2 gxf4 12. Ne4 Be7 13. Qd2 Qg4 14. Kh1 Bf5 15. Nxd4 Rd8 16. Nxf5 Rxd2 17. Nxe7 Kxe7 18. Nxd2 Qxe2 19. Nf3 Rg8 20. b3 Nb4 21. Nd4 Qg4 22. Be4 Rg5 23. Rg1 Qd7 24. Nf3 Rxg1+ 25. Rxg1 Nd3 26. Rg2 c6 27. Bh7 a5 28. Nh4 Nxe5 0-1
  
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Perhaps this will provide the ray of sunshine that can chase one's gloom away  Wink  As Alumbrado pointed out early in this thread, Angus Dunnington recommended 5.Nbd2 in "Attacking with 1.d4". He uses as his main line the game Goldin-Mengarini, New York 1991, which continued

5...Bg4 6.a3 Qe7 7.h3 Bh5 8.Qa4 0-0-0 9.b4 Kb8 10.g4 Bg6 11.Bb2 Nxe5 12.Nxe5 Qxe5 13.Nf3 Qe4 14.Bxd4 c5 15.Be5+ Ka8 16.Bg2 Nf6 17.0-0 Qxc4 18.Rfc1 Qe6 19.bxc5 Nd7 20.Bd4 Qe4 21.Ne5 Nxc5 22.Rxc5 Bxc5 23.Bxe4 Rxd4 24.Bxb7+ Kxb7 25.Qc6+ Kb8 26.Qxc5 1-0

While that game seems pretty convincing, Raetsky & Chetverik, in their 1998 book "Albins Gegengambit", suggest 11...f6 as a possible improvement. Their main line runs 12.exf6 Nxf6 13.b5 and now, rather than their 13...Ne5, I think that Black should play 13...Nd7 with the idea of 14. bxc6 Nc5 15.Qb5 a6 or 14.Bg2 Nc5 15.Qd1 Nd3+ or 14.Qd1 Nce5 15.Nxe5 Nxe5 16.Bg2 Nd3+.
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Reply #23 - 03/26/04 at 19:00:17
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White can always change plans in this variation, that is why it is so nasty.
5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.a3 Qe7 7.b4! Nxe5 8.Nxe5 Qxe5 9.Nf3! and Black loses the d4-pawn.
  

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Another thought, how about 5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.a3 Qe7? It might be worth a go... now 7.g3 doesn't seem so good for white, and the pressure on the e-pawn seems enough to give black a playable game...
  

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Yes, Kd2 on move 20 certainly looks stronger. I'm determined to find a move to make the albin playable though, there must be improvements here somewhere.

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Reply #20 - 03/25/04 at 18:47:40
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This time I am the pessimistic, gloomy guy.
What about 21.Qf5+ Kb8 22.Qf3 and what
about 20.Kd2 immediately?

My second remark is that 6.Nb3 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 Qe7
8.Bxb4 Qxb4+ 9.Qd2 Qxc3 10.Nfxd4 looks good
for White.

Finally

Junge,K - Wolf [D08]
DEUchT Stuttgart, 1939

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Pf3 Pc6 5.Pbd2 Lf5
6.Pb3 Dd7 7.a3 0-0-0 8.Lf4 Pge7 9.Pc5 De8 10.b4
Pg6 11.g3 Lxc5 12.bxc5 Pgxe5 13.Pxe5 Pxe5
14.Lg2 Pd3+ 15.Kf1 Pxf4 16.gxf4 Le4 17.Lh3+ Kb8
18.Tg1 g6 19.Tg3 De7 20.Tb3 The8 21.Tab1 Lxb1
22.Txb7+ Kxb7 23.Dxb1+ 1-0

Sorry, I have lost my faith in the Albin's.
  

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Reply #19 - 03/25/04 at 16:00:42
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I've been taking a look at these 5.Nbd2 lines, as they are the ones I feel likely to refute the albin.

Firstly, in the line after 5...Bf5 6.a3 f6 7.exf6 Qxf6 8.Nb3 h6 9.Nfxd4 O-O-O 10.e3 Nxd4 11.exd4 Qg6 12.Qf3, instead of Bc2, how about 12...Re8+, for example 13.Be3 Nf6 14.h3 Be4 15.Qe2 Bc2 16.Nc1 Bd6 17.Nd3 Nxd3! 18.Qxd3 Rxe3+! 19.fxe3 Qg3+ 20.Ke2 Re8 21.Kd2 Ne4+ 22.Kc2 Nf2 where my gut feeling is that black is okay? Obviously white may well have improvements here, but if anyone posts some then I'll do my best for Albineers to try and bust them.

Secondly, if 6.Nb3 Bb4+! 7.Bd2 Qe7 certainly looks playable, and maybe even 6...Qd7 is playable, just looking to castle quickly.

Keep the faith people!

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8 Nbd2 looks too slow.  8 Bg5 or 8 Qa4 Be7 9 Rd1 are more to the point.
  
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Dear Chessfriends,

Hi! Albin fans.

It's true that the Albin is the only area of 1 d4 d5 that I cover. It's not such a big section and can be described as a dynamic defence so I don't mind keeping it!

Is it any good? Well as my October 2003 update suggests even GMs don't find it so easy to prove an advantage although I would suggest using it mainly as a surprise weapon, as against thorough preparation it may not be so easy to prove enough comp.

Weaker players can't defend so well but they can count pawns!

I remember losing as White against ...h5-h4-hxg3, but White can counter with h2-h4.
  
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5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.a3 Qd7 7.b4 and castling queenside is
hardly possible, while White keeps the option of a
kingside fianchetto open.
5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.Nb3 Bb4+ (maybe f6!?) 7.Bd2 Qe7
8.Bxb4 Qxb4+ 9.Qd2 Qxc4 10.Nfxd4 looks good
for White.
  
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Reply #15 - 01/03/04 at 22:05:32
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Regarding 5.Nbd2 Bf5 in the Albin, 6.Nb3 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 has been given as being clearly better for white by NCO, but 7...Qe7 look playable to me, and 7...Be7 has been suggested on another site.   If 6.a3, why not just 6...Qd7 as in Ward's book?
  
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Well, I would be glad if 5.Nbd2 Qe7 was playable, as I gave up the Albin's less than two
years ago. Indeed 6.Nb3 Bg7 7.Bf4 Bxf3 seems good enough; after 8.gxf3
A) not 8...Qb4+ 9.Nd2 Qxb2 10.Bh3 Bb4 11.o-o Bxd2 11.Bxd2 Nxe5 13.Qa4+ c6 14.Bf4
Ng6 15.Rab1 Qxe2 16.Rxb7 and White has a winning attack
B) but 8...Nxe5 9.Bxe5 (9.Nxd4 and now Qb4+ is correct) Qxe5 10.Qd2 o-o-o.

The other idea is less convincing. After 6.g3 Nxe5 7.Nxe5 Qxe5 Fritz of course gives equality, because the material balance is restored. But what about 8.Bg2 Nf6 9.o-o Qe6 10.b3 Bb4 11.Nf3 c5 12.e3 Bc3 13.exd4! Bxa1 14.Re1 Ne4 15.Ng5 +- and I needed Fritz 6 to find the moves, but not for the evaluation?
  
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I think that after 5.Nbd2 Qe7 6. Nb3 Bg4 7. Bf4 Black is o.k. contrary to what Lamford says in his 1983 work (p.55). Fritz 8 analysis to depth 12 completed now gives 7...Bxf3 8. exf3 Nxe5 9. Bxe5 Qxe5 10. Qe2 Qxe2 11. Be2 c5 12. 0-0-0 Bd6 13. Bd3 Ne7 14. Rhe1 0-0-0
(evaluation 0.00 and =).

I agree that the move 6.g3 and idea of Bg2 is more difficult to meet for Black to meet especially if Black plays ... 0-0-0. Check the game Grunfeld - Balogh via htp://www.chesslive.de where Black (the inventor of the ...Qe7 idea after 5.Nbd2) only just escaped with a draw.  Fritz 8 (analysis to depth 14 completed) suggests after 6. g3 the following 6...Nxe5 7. Nxe5 Qxe5 8. Bg2 Nf6 9. 0-0 Qe6 10. Nf3 Qxc4 11. Nxd4 Bc5 12. Nb3 Be7 13. Be3 0-0 and evaluation 0.16 i.e. equal      

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What about 5.Nbd2 Qe7 6.g3! and the Black queen is not where it belongs?
Moreover 6.Nb3 Bg4 7.Bf4 poses some problems
(thanks to Lamford, 1983)
  
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After 5.Nbd2 the best move might be 5...Qe7. Thereafter if 6. Nb3 we have 6...Bg4 and if 7. Nbxd4
Black plays 7...0-0-0.

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I agree with Glenn Snow, that 8.Nb3 is hard to meet:
8...h6 9.Nfxd4 o-o-o 10.e3 Nxd4 11.exd4 Qg6 is unclear according to Meinsohn, but I'd
rather prefer White after 12.Qf3 Bc2 13.Be2 Bxb3 14.Qxb3 Rxd4 15.Bf3 c6 16.Be3.
Alas the Albin Counter Gambit is close to being refuted.
5.Nbd2 is so strong, because White keeps three options open:
A)the standard king fianchetto.
B)expanding on the queenside with a3, b4.
C)going for the pawn on d4 with an early Nb3.
It is almost impossible for Black to find an antidote against all three of them.
  
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In the 6.a3 f6 7.exf6 Qxf6 I think 8.Nb3 is a hard move to meet.  Now 8...O-O-O is dubious due to 9.Bg5 and if Black takes time out for 8...h6 I think he loses the d-pawn for insufficient compensation.  However, I think "Tim" on ICC still offers a monograph for sale with analysis on this variation.  (within a repertoire with the Albin/Chigorin)
  
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Yes - I saw the Albin was covered under here too! In reply to 6. a3 I like the gambit 6...f6! as recommended in the video by Andrew Martin in the Albin. White has to play 7. exf6 and then 7...Qxf6, with 0-0-0 to followand Black has quite a large lead in development.

Can White get away making all these slow moves ???
  
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Actually, I checked and the Albin is covered under Daring Defences in the e-books, so I guess it makes sense to keep it here.
  

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It's not a problem to move this whole thread to that d4/d5 subforum. So, just let me know if you want me to proceed.
  
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Another thought - shouldn't this whole thread be under the 1.d4 d5 section?!
  

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The point of 5.Nbd2 is to go Nb3 at some point and harass Black's pawn on d4.

After 5...Bf5 6.a3! is the move, ruling out ...Nb4 tricks, and preparing the ground for either Q-side expansion with b4 or simply Nb3 (as ...Bb4+ is also prevented).

Incidentally I also have a bit of a soft spot for (1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4) 4.e4!? - it is probably not all that good, but I remember seeing an old Spassky game as a kid (against Mikenas, I think) where it got quite exciting - and of course White (Spassky) won.

  

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In reply to 5.Nbd2, I like 5...Bf5. You can't play 6. g3? Nb4 when Black is winning. I don't personally see the point of Nbd2, although I take your points on board. I just feel it blocks the Bc1 in, and play usually transposes to the 5. g3 lines anyway

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5.Nbd2! is best for White, in my view - check out (eg) Dunnington's "Attacking with 1.d4" for why.
  

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Is the Albin Any Good
07/18/03 at 09:00:10
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I'd just like to know what people think of the Albin Counter Gambit 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. de d4 4. Nf3 (best) Nc6. I think Black gets good chances after something like 5. g3 Bf5 6. Bg2 Qd7 7. 0-0 h5 8. Nbd2 Be7! This stops Ng5 and allows Black also to play ...h4 without losing another pawn

This has to be a good try at my bog-standard level of chess when my oppenents cannot defend!

Your thoughts please
  
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