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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #13 - 09/08/03 at 11:04:35
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Yes, I suppose that I was a little OTT in my stupid comments. For some reason, I was suddenly miffed. Apologies AmateurDragoneer, you must have caught me on a bad day.

Back to chess. Yes, I don't know why 3. b4 isn't given much coverage. Indeed, it is given a ? in NCO. Another forum topic, I suppose...
  

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #12 - 09/08/03 at 09:57:19
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Well, I got beaten this summer with this. (Polish GM I cannot remember name right now). Funnily some sources still recommend Nf6 (I think is basically OK, while Rogozenko in his recent book says 3...b6 is better. 3...b6 is given a ? in the Fritz8 book.)

Bottom line? Hmm....

Incidentally, 3.b4 is given crap coverage everywhere and is not even mentioned in the Rogozenko anti-Sicilian book. I even tried it against Fritz and easily got the advantage.(with white)  Theory is based on a very old game by Bronstein which he won as black and hence....

So bottom line is that all these little studied lines have pathetic theory attached to them. Do your own research and decide for yourself!
  

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #11 - 09/08/03 at 04:58:54
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I quite agree, there is no point getting angry over a chess variation!! 8)
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #10 - 09/07/03 at 08:07:22
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You post has a very negative connotation and I fail to understand why you are so upset with me. Yes, we apparently share the same opinion about the 3...Nf6 line and in that sense my post may have been slightly repetitive, but all I was trying to do was to provide a bit more insight and evidence than you did (you didn't even post the entire NCO line, nor did you mention that NCO evaluates that line, as well as the "main line" (5. Bb2 Nc6 6. g3) to be dead equal and I seriously doubt that you are a more qualified source than NCO.  Additionally, I posted those games because although Gary Lane mentioned Nigel Short has played this variation a few times, he hasn't played it consistently or recently (He played it 6 times in 1981-82 and played it once in '89 and hasn't played it again since) and I felt it might be useful to mention a highly-rated GM who plays this variation. With regard to your comment about it merely being a GM-beating-FM game and so what does it matter, I would note that although I don't doubt that Oral is a better player than the two FMs he beat in the aforementioned games, that doesn't make them pushovers. There are a good number of FMs who can beat GMs but either don't play often enough or cannot beat them consistently so they lack a higher title. Plenty of FMs have scored upsets over GMs. Two  names that quickly come to mind here in the US are Bruci Lopez and Fabiano Caruano, the latter of which is the youngest US player to beat a GM in a rated game. (he did it at age 9 or 10 I think). The fact that it's a GM-FM game does  not mean that the GM is guaranteed victory. GM Alex Wojtkiewicz was upset by FM Michael Casella last year. Either way, I was just trying to shed a little more light on WHY this line might offer good chances for White as opposed to trying to expecting people to blindly believe my opinion on the line.

I still don't feel that my post warranted the kind of lip I got in return, but let's forget about this and move on, there's too much animosity in the world for us to go at each other's throats for something stupid like this.
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #9 - 09/06/03 at 04:49:07
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WOW! A GM beat a couple off FMs with the line, therefore it must be good. He can beat me with it as well, that must make it even better.

Ali Mortazavi's book 'Winning with Kan' says that 3.. Nf6 is pants, and recommends 3... d6 or 3...Nc6.

Although you mention all these wins, you are only saying that the line is more than OK for White, which I felt anyway.
WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
  

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #8 - 08/28/03 at 16:35:21
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I set up a topic on what to do against 2...e6, and alumbrado recommended 3. b3 'and Black should be OK' Well I think White is doing well after 3. b3. After something like 3...d6 4. Bb2 Nc6 5. d4 cd 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. c4 White has a decent Maroczy bind whilst has the opportunity for a caveman-style attack against the king when Black plays 0-0 through things like Kh1, Ng1, f4, g4, Qf3 and pawn storm the castled king.

If black plays 4...e5 then White just gangs up on the hole on d5 through moves like 5. Bc4, Nc3 etc and plays for f4 eventually.

NCO recommends 3... Nf6 but after 4. e5 Nd5 5. c4 Ne7 6. Bb2 White has a good position, I think

Why isn't this played more often? Put me in my place! Wink


The entire NCO line which continues 6...Nc6 7. Nc3 d5 8. exd6 Nf5= I would also like to note that while Short has only managed to "break even" with this variation (+3 -3 =1), 25-year-old GM Tomas Oral (ELO 2543) of Czech Republic has been playing this variation for the past 6 years and has scored very well with it (+18 -4 =8) including victories over GMs David Navara (ELO 2608) and Jiri Stocek (ELO 2539) as well as a draw against GM Sergei Movsesian (2634). In addition, Oral has used the aforementioned NCO line (by transposition) to beat FM Leonid Milov and the 5. Bb2 Nc6 6. g3 line (which NCO considers to be the main continuation) to beat FM David Cummings. The win over Navara at the 2003 CZE-ch is beautiful and ends with a stunning rook sacrifice which leads to a mating attack.
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #7 - 08/14/03 at 02:13:03
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Perhaps by playing 3 b3 he might well be a GM one day. ForMeR world title contender Nigel Short has played it a few times and the desire to avoid main-line theory has encouraged quite a few strong players to give it a go.
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #6 - 07/30/03 at 04:22:53
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Whoops!  Embarrassed I analysed the position last night with a board and realised the Knight cannot take on e5
After 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3 d6 4. Bb2 Nc6 5. d4 cd 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. Bd3 d5 best is 8. ed ed with the plan o Nd2-f3. Here I think White has a big advantage - the IQP looks silly and will never get to the 'plop' square d4
  
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Reply #5 - 07/29/03 at 06:22:05
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i'm happy as I am, thank you. I am not hurting anybody
8...Nxd4 9. Bxd4
8...Nxe5 9. Nxd5 wins a piece, I think.
Undecided
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #4 - 07/28/03 at 08:48:31
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first of all, on yahoo.com or msn.com or netscape or any of those I believe you can make a free address.  And second, if you have a computer at home you can get free internet with netzero.  It might not be great, but it is better than nothing!  Than you can just make a screen name called "not a GM yet."  But anyway 8...Nxe5 or even 8...Nxd4 might be good for black.  Probably the former.
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #3 - 07/28/03 at 08:13:41
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'Why don't you make a screen name instead of signing on as a guest?'
I am not sure what you mean. I would suscribe to the website but I do not have the internet at home and cannot give an e-mail address etc  Angry

Incidentally, I think that 7...d5 just loses a tempo. What about 8. e5?
  
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Reply #2 - 07/26/03 at 06:53:08
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why don't you make a screen name instead of signing in as a guest? ???
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3
Reply #1 - 07/26/03 at 06:52:08
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1.e4 c5  2.Nf3 e6  3.b3 Nc6  4.Bb2 d6   5.d4 cxd4  6.Nxd4 Nf6  7.Bd3 allows 7 ... d5!? which I think might be stronger than 7 ... Be7?!  But 3.b3 is still very interesting nonetheless! Cheesy
  
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07/23/03 at 06:00:21
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I set up a topic on what to do against 2...e6, and alumbrado recommended 3. b3 'and Black should be OK' Well I think White is doing well after 3. b3. After something like 3...d6 4. Bb2 Nc6 5. d4 cd 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. c4 White has a decent Maroczy bind whilst has the opportunity for a caveman-style attack against the king when Black plays 0-0 through things like Kh1, Ng1, f4, g4, Qf3 and pawn storm the castled king.

If black plays 4...e5 then White just gangs up on the hole on d5 through moves like 5. Bc4, Nc3 etc and plays for f4 eventually.

NCO recommends 3... Nf6 but after 4. e5 Nd5 5. c4 Ne7 6. Bb2 White has a good position, I think

Why isn't this played more often? Put me in my place! Wink
  
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