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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #22 - 12/22/04 at 21:24:27
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The more obscure the opening, the more beautiful the name. The Kucharkowsky-Meybohmgambiet 1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Bxb4 3.f4 exf4!? (d6 4.e3 Qe7 =+ or Nf6!? 4.fxe5 Ng4 5e4?? Ne3!) 4.Bxg7 Qh4+ 5.g3 fxg3 6.Bg2 gxh2+ 7.Kf1 hxg1Q+ 8.Kxg1 Qg5 9.Bxh8 is unclear.
  

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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #21 - 12/22/04 at 05:43:49
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I hope your throat gets better soon!

I like that 'Dutch-style' set-up against very peaceful White openings - as long as I can get ...e5 in first though!
  

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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #20 - 12/21/04 at 19:54:41
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Alumbrado, you must have telepathic qualities. Indeed I am suffering from an inflammation of my throat.
Of course I fully agree with the exclamation mark 1.b4 f5! It is really remarkable, that you in your first post suggested this by transposition!
  

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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #19 - 12/21/04 at 06:04:19
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MNb, I am amazed - you do not appear to have suggested the obvious response 1...f5!  You are letting your fans down ...   Tongue
Seriously, though, I am concerned: are you feeling OK?  ???
  

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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #18 - 12/21/04 at 05:21:52
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I will look after it, but if not Black can always play 1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Nf6 3.Bxe5 Bxb4.
  

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Reply #17 - 12/20/04 at 21:16:05
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is 1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 Bxb2 3. f4 refuted?? because no one seems to mention it here...
  
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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #16 - 11/02/04 at 05:42:32
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As 1.b4 is not the best move for White to start his game, the debate what's best for Black to answer is a bit superfluous. The fact is that there are several satisfactory replies. It is just a matter of taste.
Active piece play with a lot of tactics: 1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Bxb4 (or Nf6) 3.Bxe5 Nf6.
Building a centre: 1.b4 d5 2.Bb2 Qd6 - what Kortsjnoj used to win against Lindner and Hort. This is also recommended on Silman's site.
Something more original: 1.b4 c6 2.Bb2 a5 is indeed playable too.
This explains why the Sokolsky will never be really popular.
  

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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #15 - 11/02/04 at 01:32:31
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I have seen FM Michael Aigner use the following set-up as Black vs 1.b4.  And I have also been on the receiving end of his set-up.

1.b4

1... e6 then ...f5 ... Nf6 and Dutch/Stonewall (which ever is better at the time) set-up.  I have seen enough games to make me feel it is a reliable and optimistic approach of playing not just to equalize but to win.
  

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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #14 - 04/19/04 at 15:42:41
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I've been switching to a strategy of 1...f5/g6 against pretty much every flank opening. For example, 1. b4 f5 2. Bb2 Nf6 followed by g6, bg7, d6, O-O and, eventually, e5.
  
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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #13 - 04/19/04 at 15:27:16
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one way of meeting 1.b4 (as well as 1.b3) is something I have played in a couple of games with great positions and results : 1.b4 (b3) d5 2.Bb2 Bg4. Pins the e2 pawn and sometimes threatens to double f pawns after Nf3. Or to make white feel to ambitious with h3 g4...
It's a good and safe system.
  
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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #12 - 02/25/04 at 06:21:35
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I agree with this last one about 1...c6, as White has several similar trappy lines, and let's face it, moves such as ...c6, ...Qb6 and ...a5 don't do an enormous amount to help Black's development!
  
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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #11 - 01/18/04 at 07:42:23
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Actually the idea of 1.b4 d5 2.Bd2 Qd6 is to play ...e5 with gain of tempo (3.a3 e5-- if you're interested read the article on www.chessville.com).  I don't think ...e5 is obviously the best move because it blocks the diagonal; in the main line 2.Bb2 Bxb4, black gives up the e-pawn.  Certainly, black can play 2...d6, but I wouldn't call this the most challenging setup.

After 1.b4 c6 2.Bb2 Qb6 3.a3 a5 4.Nf3!? is interesting, as Kosten suggests in his annotations of Hansen-Orstein.  The idea is 4...axb4 5.Bd4 c5 6.Bxc5.  So maybe black's plan isn't as straightforward as it appears.

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.b4 is interesting idea that Smyslov (as well many other strong players) has used.  However, I don't like 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.b4 d5 (or maybe 2...e6) that much for white.  b4 so early just seems premature to me here, but that's just my opinion.

Here is the site of the article I was refering to:

http://www.chessville.com/instruction/Openings/TRNT/Orangutan.htm
  

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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #10 - 01/18/04 at 06:25:44
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I've always thought 1...c6 was the strongest move after 1.b4, making 2.Bb2 unattractive because of ...Qb6, and preparing to strike out with ...a5 with the queen able to come to this square if captured, exerting pressure on the white q-side.

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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #9 - 01/17/04 at 22:58:34
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1. b4 e5! is definatley black's best move as it blocks the a1-h8 diagonal.  If white wants to employ this type of opening he should play 1. Nf3 then 2. b4 (Santasiere's Folly) to prevent e5.  b4 when preceded by Nf3 is a solid plan which has been used by the likes of Tartakower and Alekhine
  
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Re: how to respond to 1. b4?
Reply #8 - 01/17/04 at 21:30:46
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1.b4 d5 2.Bb2 Qd6 poses white interesting problems early in the game.  Keith Hayward wrote a short article about it on www.chessville.com. ; My impression from the article is that this line is easy to learn and very promising from the black side.  I think Lalic-Uhlmann, Sarajevo 1980 (a game in this line) is covered in the Flank Opening section.
  

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