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Reply #8 - 03/04/06 at 05:12:10
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Re: CLASSICAL FRENCH DILEMNA
Reply #7 - 03/03/06 at 01:41:22
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You might be interested in this transposition: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6
a)4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c6 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 a6 8.Qd2 b5 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Bxc5 Nxc5 11.Qf2 Qe7
b)4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Bxe7 Qxe7 7.f4 a6 8.Nf3 c5 9.dxc5 Nc6 10.Qd2 Nxc5 11.Qf2 b5
  

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Reply #6 - 03/02/06 at 04:58:37
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Thanks, MNb. That's just what I wanted to know. These forums are neat. Smiley I feel that by applying many of the same ideas to this line as in the 4.e5 Classical French line, that black can do almost as well as in the 4.e5 line. Or, let's hope that new ideas will be found that will make this line just as good theoretically as the 4.e5 line.

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Re: CLASSICAL FRENCH DILEMNA
Reply #5 - 03/02/06 at 01:52:43
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I also like the Classical French with 7...a6 with the idea to leave my king in the centre for a long time. I do not see any objection against 7.Bd3 a6. The two independent options 8.Nf3 c5 and 8.Qg4 f6 9.exf6 Nxf6 do not look particularly dangerous.
But if you want to play an independent line, you might try pawn grabbing with 6.Bd3 Qb4.
  

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Reply #4 - 03/01/06 at 05:33:22
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I have a different question regarding the classical french. After the moves: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.BxB QxB white usually plays 7.f4. Now here, black's two main moves are 0-0 and a6. I like to play a6. Now my question is, what does black play if white plays 7.Bd3 if he wants to avoid some of the main lines with 7...0-0?

I actually don't mind the lines where white plays his Q to d2 somewhere in the next few moves. There I'm not afraid to castle kingside. What I am worried about are the lines where white keeps his Q on d1, such as in one of the mainlines that goes: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.BxB QxB 7.f4 0-0 8.Nf3 c5 9.dxc5 Nc6 10.Bd3 f6. Such lines look strong for white to me, particularly the lines: 11.exf6 Qxf6 12.g3 Nxc5 13.0-0 Bd7 14.Qd2 Nxd3 15.cxd3 e5 16.Rae1 with 16...Bh3 or 16...exf4.

Is it adequate to play 7...a6 anyway against 7.Bd3, and say, if 8.f4 then 8...c5 anyway? (or 7.f4 a6 8.Bd3 c5) Can black get away with 7...a6 with white not having played an early Q to d2?
  
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Re: CLASSICAL FRENCH DILEMNA
Reply #3 - 12/13/03 at 11:38:11
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i have no problem seeing you chrushed in the end position. White can just run over your kingside.Qe7 is as a positional move usually not the best in the french. Better is undoubtedlly Qb6 or Qc7. On c7 it usually harmoniously connect with other pieces and ads pressure on e5 and c-file. Also being flexible with castling seemd like a good idea. Simply not deciding yet where to put your king. Still you would have had a bad bishop problem so white might be slightly better anyway.
  
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Re: CLASSICAL FRENCH DILEMNA
Reply #2 - 11/01/03 at 09:44:37
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White plan seems natural: blockade on central dark squares. Common idea is that White has space advantage thus Black has to try to exchange but NOT like in your game, when White's queen is covering all dark squares  and bad bishop on b7 will be useless.
The main mistake is Qe7: you must play Qb6 and then Nd7 to exchange most powerful White piece.
8...b5! is the right move (expanding on the queenside thus long castle is dangerous for White with a3-pawn structure weakness) and not 8..cxd4 since White can already blockade with knight: 8...cxd4 9.Nxd4 Bc5 10.Nce2 Yudasin-Vaiser,Moscou 1992 or Ljubojevic-Andersson,Bilbao 1987 (10.Qd2 showed the good plan for Black in such position: 10...Bxd4 11.Bxd4 Nxd4 12.Qxd4 Qb6!  =   Psakhis-Drasko,Protvino 1988 - Short)
As Black, you can try 8...Qb6!? transposing to Kasparov-Radjabov,2002 where Kasparov played dxc5 and I don't understand why, because I feel Be2! is better ? For Be2, see Topalov-Korchnoi, Dos Hermanas 1999
  

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Re: CLASSICAL FRENCH DILEMNA
Reply #1 - 10/31/03 at 16:49:09
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After a quick view at your game the only serious mistake, in my opinion, was 14..O-O as you give to your opponent a target. Being a french player, I strongly believe that having a free d5-pawn you should make exchanges to reach at a pawn ending. So I believe that on move 14 you should leave your king on the center, probably on d7, double rooks, even triple them with your queen and then exchange queens and rooks (otherwise winning by placing your rooks on the 2nd rank) and playing f6. If he takes then gxf6 and winning easily. But that's a very general plan but a very common one in the french.
  
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C11: CLASSICAL FRENCH DILEMNA
10/31/03 at 13:36:33
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Hello all

I need some help. I recently played the following moves as black in a tournament and lost. Please tell me what my plans should have been abd where I went wrong.

1. e4            e6
2. d4             d5
3. Nc3            Nf6
4. e5            Nfd7
5. f4            c5
6. Nf3            Nc6
7. Be3            a6
8. a3            b5 (was this correct by me?)
9. dxc5            Bxc5
10. Bxc5      Nxc5
11. Nd4            Nxd4(was this ok?)
12. Qxd4      Qe7 (too passive?)
13. Be2            Bb7
14. O-O            O-O

What should have been my plans from here on? I eventually got my light squared Bishop in a bad position and was crushed.



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