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Re: Winawer h4 - Castle under fire
Reply #9 - 05/12/04 at 05:36:00
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According the statistics of my database (about 250 games) White is doing pretty well after 7.h4 Qa5 8.Bd2 and 7.h4 Nbc6 8.h5 Qa5 9.Bd2. An overview from White's point of view:
A1) 7.h4 Qa5 8.Bd2 cxd4 9.cxd4 Qa4 10.h5 (10.Qg4!?) h6 11.Rb1 Qxd4 12.Nf3
A2) 7.h4 Qa5 8.Bd2 cxd4 9.cxd4 Qa4 10.h5 Nbc6 11.Nf3 h6 12.Bd3!? or 12.Rh4!?
B) 7.h4 Qa5 8.Bd2 Qa4 9.h5 is very likely to transpose
C1) 7.h4 Nbc6 8.h5 Qa5 9.Bd2 cxd4 10.cxd4 Qa4 11.Nf3 is line A2
C2) 7.h4 Nbc6 8.h5 Qa5 9.Bd2 h6 and White has both 10.Nf3 and 10.Qg4!?
C3) 7.h4 Nbc6 8.h5 Qa5 9.Bd2 Bd7 preparing o-o-o is another idea.
In my opinion White has to keep the option Qg4 open for a while and must not be afraid to sac the d-pawn. As far as I can see, Black has no easy equality.
Of course Black can postpone Qa5 and I must say, that the transpositions are pretty bewildering.
  

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Reply #8 - 05/11/04 at 10:12:43
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This is very helpful!  I know that the theory in Kasparovs Gambit is still somewhat undeveloped, but does anybody know what games I should look at?

Wasn't there a Federov game with it?  I know that I found that game fully annotated online somewhere online over a year ago...I have no idea where that is now!
  
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Re: Winawer h4 - Castle under fire
Reply #7 - 05/11/04 at 02:13:22
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I add some miscellaneous lines and references without Kasparov's gambit (system for Black is given in 2nd Ed. Play the French - Watson).

7.h4 Qa5 (the system I advice for Black: "don't wait") 8.Bd2 (8.Qd2 Nbc6 9.Nf3 b6 10.h5 h6 11.g4 Ba6 12.Bxa6 Qxa6 13.Ng1!? Qa4 14.Ne2 Rc8 15.f4 Suetin) Nbc6 (8...Qa4 9.Qb1!? (9.Nf3! Nbc6 10.h5 cxd4 11.Rh4 Chipov) a6 10.Nf3 Nbc6 11.Qb3 Qa5 12.h5 h6 13.Rh4 Qc7 14.Rg4 Nf5 15.Be2 Bd7 16.Rb1 b5 17.Rf4 Qd8 18.g4 Nh4 19.Kf1 Nxf3 20.Bxf3 Na5... Iordachescu-Laurain,simul Naujac 2002 ; 8...cxd4 9.cxd4 Qa4 10.Nf3 Nbc6 (10...b6 11.h5 h6 12.Qb1 Ba6 13.Qc3 Qc6= Paige-Reimlinger,Philadelphie 1993 - Watson) 11.Bc3!? b6 12.Qd3 a5 - 12...Na5!? Dom - 13.h5 h6 14.Bb2!? Gouliev-Laurain,Nancy 2003 or 14.Qd2 Wang Zili-Bareev,Erevan 1996 Ilic EE/1996 or Inf 67) 9.h5 cxd4 (9...Qa4 10.Qb1! h6!? Watson's improvment over 10....Bd7? 11.h6 gxh6 12.Nf3 ooo 13.Rxh6 Nf5 14.Rf6 cxd4 15.Bb5 Qa5 16.cxd4 Ljubojevi-Hubner,Tilburg 1987 ; 9...Bd7 10.h6 gxh6 11.Rb1! Qc7!? or 11.Nf3 ooo 12.a4 Rdg8 13.Rxh6 Nf5 14.Rf6 Qd8 15.Be3 Rg6 16.Rxf7 Be8 17.Rxf5 exf5 18.g3 Bd7 19.Qd2 Rhg8 +=) 10.cxd4 Qa4 11.Nf3 tabla position of Kasparov's gambit.
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Re: Winawer h4 - Castle under fire
Reply #6 - 05/10/04 at 15:18:06
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Though slightly off topic, maybe this game can help to answer the initial question:

(34) MNb - Alberney,M [C18]
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1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Pc3 Lb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Lxc3+ 6.bxc3 Pe7 7.h4 Pbc6 8.h5 h6 9.Dg4 Pf5 10.Ld3 0–0 11.Pf3 c4 12.Le2 f6 13.Dh3 fxe5 14.dxe5 Pfe7 15.g4 Da5 16.Ld2 Db6 17.g5 Kh7 18.Tg1 Db2 19.Td1 Tg8 20.gxh6 gxh6 21.Txg8 Pxg8 22.Dg3 Dxc2 23.Tc1 Df5 24.Ld1 Kh8 25.Lc2 Df8 26.Ph4 Pce7 27.Ke2 Ld7 28.Tg1 Le8 29.Dg4 Tc8 30.Le3 Tc7 31.Dxe6 Lxh5+ 32.Kd2 d4 33.cxd4 Tc6 34.Dh3 Ta6 35.Pf5 Pxf5 36.Lxf5 Le8 37.d5 c3+ 38.Kc2 Dxa3 39.Ld4 Db2+ 40.Kd3 Dd2+ 41.Ke4 Ta4 42.Dd3 Pe7 43.e6+ Txd4+ 44.Dxd4+ Dxd4+ 45.Kxd4 Pxf5+ 46.Ke5 Pg7 47.Tc1 Lh5 48.Txc3 a5 49.Tc8+ Kh7 50.Kf6 Lf3 51.d6 Pxe6 52.d7 h5 53.Te8 Lc6 54.Txe6 Lxd7 55.Te7+ Kh6 56.Txd7 b6 57.Td8 1–0
  

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Re: Winawer h4 - Castle under fire
Reply #5 - 05/07/04 at 05:50:57
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Klick: you are right. Click on Morozevich-Pelletier, August 2003 game of month. (no more game in year 2004?)
About NJ's chess forum: I admit there are many ideas in he forum and I'll try to read posts about French defense ("The Jackal Attack",...)
  

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Re: Winawer h4 - Castle under fire
Reply #4 - 05/07/04 at 00:40:26
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Just for your information: There is a chesspublishing game available for guests as well as subscribers in this line. The game is Morozevich-Pelletier and it is the game of the month for August 2003. You can find it at: http://www.chesspublishing.com/guest/gom/gom.htm
  

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Reply #3 - 05/06/04 at 14:17:30
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Dom,

Yeah, unfortunately that doesn't help me that much, but that's ok.  Hopefully I can sign up for chesspublishing soon (goldcard of course) and then I will be able to get an answer to these questions!

In the meantime I wonder if anybody else knows of a good resource for the 7.h4 Winawer?

And yes, I do comment on the www.njscf.org website.  It is a great website run by Pete Tamburro who is an awesome guy who does a heck of a job.  While he is not a master he has a tremendous love for the game and a deep historical knowledge of the development of chess in general, as well as the openings.  He is a guiding light for many aspiring chessplayers, including myself, and has helped me put the openings and my entire game into perspective...which was needed for me to improve.
  
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Re: Winawer h4 - Castle under fire
Reply #2 - 05/05/04 at 06:39:23
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Don't you have some replies on the NJ's chess forum ?
(URL: http://njscf.proboards2.com/index.cgi...first time I visit NJ's forum and it looks like chesspublishing.com forum) 

I am guest thus I can't reply your question. I don't remember one McDonald's update with 7.h4. The forum is not the good place to know if Chesspublishing will cover the subject mainly because McDonald has already admitted using his knowledge for updates, games-analysis and for answers to subscribers.

As Black, I only played two games vs strong players with h4 line (Ionescu's simul Naujac France 2001? and Nancy 2002). The first question is: what do you play as White vs Qa5-Q4 plan ? The next one, do you prefer h5 quickly or not ? One plan was given by Shipov in Europe Echecs review last year (mainly: h5-Rh4 protecting d4 pawn with Rf4/Rg4 to follow) One another is Kasparov's games (Kasparov-Nikolic) with Kasparov's gambit (d4-pawn  is given).
  

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Reply #1 - 05/04/04 at 20:08:18
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Ladies and Gents,

Clearly I have peppered this forum with many comments the past several days.  I just discovered this forum and it is great!  I love it.  In fact, I believe that I am going to suscribe to chesspublishing.com because of the quality of the resources here.

That aside, I do have a question about the 7.h4 Winawer as I have had quite a soft spot for it for quite some time.

Mainly my question is ultra-general in nature.  Are there any Winawer experts that can let me know where it currently stands theoretically, what the common mistakes for white and black are, and what the critical theory lines/traps are?

If I can actually get a solid answer to this I swear I will be killing myself for not signing up with chesspublishing before now!

Later Chess Fans.

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C18: Winawer h4 - Castle under fire
11/11/03 at 05:21:20
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What do you think about : 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 Ne7 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.h4 Qa5 8.Bd2 Nbc6 9.h5 oo ?
No game in Chessbase-online database and theory only recommends 9...Bd7 (Uhlmann,Psakhis) ; 9... cxd4 (leading to Kasparov's gambit) or 9...h6 10.Qg4 (10.Rh4 - Shipov -  See Morozevich-Pelletier,Bienne 2003) Bd7 (Watson,Tiemann). 
There is one game after 10.Qg4 Lutz-Bewersdorff Oberliga 1999 and it looks like Rustemov's variation but it's not, because White doesn't play h4.
Note: Yes there is one obvious threat 10.h6 g6 11.Qf3 but what's about gambit with 11...f6
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