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Re: Winawer Variation with 4. Bd2!?
Reply #9 - 01/08/04 at 20:41:49
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Well you're welcome.

And I must thank you for persistantly questioning my lines if not for that I may not have found these resources for white.  However, there is still work to be done.

Happy analysing.
  
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Re: Winawer Variation with 4. Bd2!?
Reply #8 - 01/08/04 at 15:41:09
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Dear Spakus, now I have to thank you! My first
thought was, why have I never thought of 8.Qh4!?
before? My second thought is, that it looks good,
so I have to investigate it better.
My last thought is that you solved a problem
for me: I have been looking for a nice way to
combat the Winawer last weeks.
You will hear more.
  
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Re: Winawer Variation with 4. Bd2!?
Reply #7 - 01/08/04 at 14:52:35
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Yes 8..h4! is much better than Bxf4.

However, I have another continuation for white 7. Qg3 Bd6 8. Qh4!? f5 9. Nb5 Qa4 10. Bf4 Bxd6 11. Qxf4 Na6 12. Nxc7+ Nxc7 13. Qxc7 Bd7 14. Qxb7 Rc8 15. b3 what are your thoughts on this line?
  
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Reply #6 - 01/06/04 at 18:38:21
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Well, I keep on citing Pachman and hoping to learn some
interesting new idea! 4.Bd2 dxe4 5.Qg4 Qxd4 6.o-o-o h5
7.Qg3 Bd6 8.Bf4 h4! and what next? P. continues with
9.Rxd4 hxg3; 9.Qg4? Nf6; and 9.Qg5 Qf6.
  
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Re: Winawer Variation with 4. Bd2!?
Reply #5 - 01/05/04 at 23:44:43
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I definatley disagree that after 6. 0-0-0 h5 black is better 7. Qg3 Bd6 8. Bf4 Bxf4 9. Qxf4 Qc5 10. Nxe4 and white looks much better to me. 

As for your other line I think you are right.  White may have nothing better than 8. Qxe5 Qxe5 9. Nxe5 when white is a pawn down, but has enough compensation in the form of better mobility, development, and the misplaced black Knight to easily draw

In light of these last two lines I think i am leaning towards 6. 0-0-0 instead of 6. Nf3.

If anybody has a better line for black after 6. 0-0-0 or a better defense after 6...h5 I will be waiting.
  
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Reply #4 - 01/05/04 at 17:55:30
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Again Pachman gives 4.Bd2 dxe4 5.Qg4 Qxd4 6.Nf3 Nh6
7.Qf4 e5! with equality.
6.o-o-o is very well known; after h5 Black is better (alas).
  
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Re: Winawer Variation with 4. Bd2!?
Reply #3 - 01/04/04 at 22:24:29
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First of all, thanks for the replies.

As a far as the lines go, I agree with Nieuweboer that the 4. Nf6 line is not good for black e.g. 4...Nf6 5. e5 Bxc3 6. bxc3 Ne4 7.Qg4! (there's that move again) and white can exploit the weak k-side.

I also agree that 6..Nh6 is better than Qf6 but after 7.Qf4 white can still strive for an advantage.

And finally, the suggestion of declining the gambit with 4..Ne7 is probably the best idea, but white can still cause some complications with 5. Bd3 or 5. Nf3 However, in this position white should probably transpose back to the main line with 5. e5

Also, one final note.  There is another alternative for white.  After 4. Bd2 dxe4 5. Qg4 Qxd4 6. 0-0-0! this could also lead to many interesting possibilities for white.  What do you think of this line?
  
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Reply #2 - 01/04/04 at 15:46:25
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Much better is 4.Bd2 dxe4 5.Qg4 Qxd4 6.Nf3 Nh6!
with equality according to Pachmann.
The MacCutcheon-like line is not recommendable,
as Black has a big hole on h6.
  
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Re: Winawer Variation with 4. Bd2!?
Reply #1 - 01/04/04 at 11:20:21
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Fingerslip variation: I don't know if it's the right name. 4.Bd2 is a gambit line played in some famous games (Keres-Botvinnik,Boleslavsky-Bronstein,...). Black can simply NOT accept the gambit the line and play 4...Ne7!? to go back to main lines or original 4...Nf6!? when 5.e5 Bxc3 6.bxc3 Ne4 is a kind of McCutcheon without h6.
  
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C15: Winawer Variation with 4. Bd2!?
01/03/04 at 23:42:18
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Hi all, it's me again with another crazy, but functional line. 

Anyway, this move 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Bd2!? is known as the Fingerslip Variation.  Although the name doesn't inspire much confidance, I think it is a good move.

If Black tries to grab a pawn with 4. Bd2 Bxc3 5. Bxc3 dxe4 6. Qg4! Nf6 7. Qxg7 Rg8 8. Qh6 Rg6 9. Qh4 or Qd2 and this position favors white because black's pawns are a mess and white has the bishop pair.  Also if black does 6...Qf6 then 7. d5! with interesting complications.

The other way black might continue is with 4. Bd2 dxe4 5. Qg4! Qxd4 6. Nf3 Qf6 7. Qxe4 Qe7 8. 0-0-0 with great attacking possibilities and a nice developmental  lead.  Also, in this line white can move 7. 0-0-0!? if he wants(sets the trap 7. 0-0-0 exf3? 8. Bg5! 1-0)

And in this same variation if black moves 6...Nh6 then white can keep the pressure on with 7. Qf4

So in conclusion, I think this is a very interesting and agressive try against the French. 

what do you think?
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