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Re: Steinitz Question
Reply #9 - 02/05/05 at 09:14:39
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Black has several other options on moves 7 and 8. Personally I like 7...a6 preparing a minority attack on the queen's wing, while solving the problem of the bad bishop too.


I've spent a lot of time examining 7 ... Qb6, which I quite like.  There are some dynamic possibilities for Black in exploiting a sizable space advantage on the queenside, while keeping the center closed.
  

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Re: Steinitz Question
Reply #8 - 02/05/05 at 07:03:25
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About Qf2! ....check Kavalek's analysis of the game Aagard-Brynell 2003 on the WashingtonPost website (look into chess archives) and Chesspublishing website (French updates and forum) too.
Games references:
- Arnason-Gurevich,Reykjavik 1988 (Tiemann)
- Mainka-Lautier,Dortmund 1989 (Psakhis and Tiemann)
- Kosanovic-Popovic,Stara Pazova 1988 (Short)
- Grishuk-Iljushin,Istanbul (or Krasnoyarsk?) 2003 (Chesspublishing)
- Kritz-O'Cinneide,Biel 2003 (Chesspublishing)

Maybe you can try Kavalek idea: 11.Qf2!? Nxd4 12.Bxd4 Qc7 13.Bd3 f6!?
  

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Re: Steinitz Question
Reply #7 - 02/02/05 at 20:29:55
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Black has several other options on moves 7 and 8. Personally I like 7...a6 preparing a minority attack on the queen's wing, while solving the problem of the bad bishop too.
This idea is also possible after 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Bxe7 Qxe7 7.f4 a6.
  

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Re: Steinitz Question
Reply #6 - 02/02/05 at 12:19:05
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Ah... OK.

1. e4, e6
2. d4, d5.
3. Nc3 Nf6
4. e5  Nd7
5. f4  c5
6. Nf3  Nc6
7. Be3 cxd4
8. Nxd4 Bc5
9. Qd2 0-0
10. 0-0-0 a6
11. Qf2

Now 11.., Nxd4 is not good.
11.., Bxd4 ( played by Gritschuk) may be the best but Shirov won an incredible ending against him. I think that Black can only hope in a drow in this line.

Watson suggests 11.., Bb4 but in this particular line my database is empty.

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Re: Steinitz Question
Reply #5 - 02/02/05 at 10:11:50
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May I suggest you record the previous moves of 11;Qf2 ? Grin
  
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Reply #4 - 02/02/05 at 08:48:42
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I would like to play the Classical Steinitz ( with Black) but I'm scared by the Kramnik move 11. Qf2.

Do You have some suggestion?

Thanks

  
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Re: Steinitz Question
Reply #3 - 02/02/05 at 06:58:25
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You can play it via the Steinitz move order :

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 e5 Nfd7 5 Nce2 c5 6 c3 Nc6 7 f4 Qb6 8 Nf3...

or via The Tarrash move order:

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 Nf6 4 e5 Nfd7 5 c3 c5
6 f4 Nc6 7 Ndf3 Qb6 8 Ne2...

Grin

See Psakhis book on Tarrash French and the game Anand - Shirov

  
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Re: Steinitz Question
Reply #2 - 03/21/04 at 17:54:09
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The move order in the Tarrasch Variation is
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.c3 c5
6.f4 Nc6 7.Ndf3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Qb6 9.Ne2 f6.
  

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Re: Steinitz Question
Reply #1 - 03/20/04 at 19:37:28
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I think that after this, that Black can gain the initiative.

For example,

[Event "RUS-ch m3-4"]
[Site "Elista"]
[Date "1997.??.??"]
[Round "3.3"]
[White "Dolmatov, Sergey"]
[Black "Bareev, Evgeny"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C11"]
[WhiteElo "2560"]
[BlackElo "2665"]
[PlyCount "46"]
[EventDate "1997.04.19"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1997.08.01"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Ne2 Qb6 8. c3 f6
9. g3 cxd4 10. cxd4 fxe5 11. fxe5 Bb4+ 12. Nc3 O-O 13. Bf4 Be7 14. Qd2 g5 15.
Nxg5 Bxg5 16. Bxg5 Nxd4 17. Bg2 Nxe5 18. O-O-O Rf2 19. Qxf2 Nb3+ 20. axb3 Qxf2
21. Rd2 Qf5 22. Bh6 Nd3+ 23. Kb1 Nf2+ 0-1

  
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C11: Steinitz Question
03/20/04 at 15:12:34
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1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 e5 Nfd7 5 f4 c5 6 Nf3 Nc6 7 Ne2!?

This came up in one of my OTB games where I had white.  I was not familiar with the theory and hardly had expected to play a French that day!  I came up with Ne2 with intentions similar to the closed Tarrasch.  When I came back home, I checked the e-books, and apparently Ponomariov had the same idea.  What does everyone think?  Is this a viable move?  Even though I lost that game, I would be comfortable to play it again and prove that it's good for white...  Embarrassed

Ideas, thoughts, possibly more coverage for the e-book?  

NeX iRae
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