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Re: 1. Nf3 c5 2...
Reply #5 - 03/22/04 at 03:37:38
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White actually has quite a wide choice after 1.Nf3 c5 - which is one reason why it is quite rarely played!

Other than 2.c4 and 2.e4:

2.b3 heads for a reversed QID - which can be surprisingly potent with an extra tempo!

2.e3 can lead to a Colle System after 3.d4

2.g3 can lead to reversed Grünfeld positions, or transpose directly to the Tarrasch QGD, after (eg) 2...d5 3.Bg2 Nc6 4.d4

Of course, White can also just play a King's indian Attack setup.
  

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Re: 1. Nf3 c5 2...
Reply #4 - 03/21/04 at 20:14:38
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After 1.Nf3 c5 2.c3 d5 3.d4 cxd4 4.cxd4 gives a regular Exchange Slav, which might be effective if Black had no intention of playing the Slav.
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 c5 2...
Reply #3 - 03/21/04 at 17:41:13
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Hrmmm...okay I'll give you that 2 e3, 2 Nc3, and 2 c3 are obscure...

But b3 and d4 are not necessarily easy to equalize against.  The Nimzo-Larsen, as b3 will likely transpose, is hardly easy to equalize against.  As for d4, cxd4 is probably the most testing (others allow d5 with a Benoni), but I would not say "easy to equalize" against. 

Also, 1 Nf3 c5 2 c3 d5 3 d4! gives a Slav a tempo up, having used that tempo on a very useful knight move.  Most other moves simply allow an Alapin Sicilian which is by no means bad.       Shocked  Don't underestimate c3!   Angry
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 c5 2...
Reply #2 - 03/21/04 at 16:35:12
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An English player looking to an alternative to the Symmetrical English? I knew Black players were bored by this line but I didn't know White players also find it to be, to say the least, unexciting. With the exception of 2. g3 (which will most likely give you a symmetrical english after an eventual c4 or a KIA), all the moves suggested by Nexirae are pretty much just obscure stuff which is not necessarily bad but it's probably pretty easy for any decent black player to equalize. Instead, I actually like 2. e4!? because it throws any non-Sicilian player out of book (trust me when I say it will bug the crap out of almost any French or Caro player!) and instead of having to learn a ton of theory by learning the main lines, rather than playing 3. d4 you could mix things up with 3. Bb5 against 2...d6 or Nc6 while against 2...e6 you could try 3. b3. If none of that appeals to you in terms of 3rd move options, there is always 3. g3 (3. c3 is also an option) which is, essentially, a KIA. Fischer use this line extensively as a youngster before he learned the main lines and was quite succesful with it. It is both a quiet, positional approach to the Sicilian, but it also can contain quite a bit of venom!
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 c5 2...
Reply #1 - 03/21/04 at 14:03:49
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How about 2 g3, b3, d4, e3, or Nc3?  Heck, even 2 c3...

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1. Nf3 c5 2...
03/21/04 at 12:33:07
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I am looking for some alternatives after 1. Nf3 c5 which do not involve 2. c4, and I thought of 2.b4(?! or maybe a ?). Is this sound or is there simply no compensation for the pawn whatsoever?
I cannot find any games with it in my database...so it is probably bad, so I come here to ask what else I can play other than 2.c4. I  play the symmetrical english in this position all the time, which is fine, but now I seek an alternative/additional option so I don't get bored of playing the same line every time. (After 2.e4, I would have to learn a ton of Sicilian theory)

  
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