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Re: Tromp in trouble?
Reply #5 - 08/08/05 at 21:56:12
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Well, it's been a year, and this has been touched upon in recent updates, so I was wondering if everyone has adopted 3.Nd2 (it seems even Wells has?) or if there are any players still struggling to make 3.e4 work.

In particular, I was wondering if anyone knows of recent games of importance with 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 3.e4 h6 4.Bxf6 Qxf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Qd3) or anything that would revive the fifth move alternatives offered by Wells (compared to 5.c3 and 5.Qd2) or not (5.Nf3).

In addition to Prie's comments in his updates, check out Martin in his "trashing the tromp" article at www.jeremysilman.com. ; I am not all that optimisitc about White getting much with best play.
  
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Re: Tromp in trouble?
Reply #4 - 04/27/04 at 05:19:34
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Thanks Eric; will have to have a look at 3 Nd2!  Smiley
Was certainly used by Tony M and certainly if one can avoid e3 and a solid Torre then I'd be happy. Mixing it up after e3 I guess is tricky as Prie-Taylor showed up to a point. Certainly after 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 e6 3 Bg5 c5 4 c3, Mark Hebden keeps being successful with early e4 and h4 breaks!
  
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Re: Tromp in trouble?
Reply #3 - 04/26/04 at 15:44:58
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In that moveorder:1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 3.Nd2 is very annoying, since white may play a later e4 or instead play a sort of stonewall formation with e3 c3 f4 Ngf3 but with the bishop outside the pawnchain.

Does somebody have a good idea on how to meet this variation? After say 3...h6 4.Bh4 c5 5.c3 a move like 5...d5 plays into white's hands since after e3 and f4 he has a stonewall with the bishop on h4 already...
  
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Re: Tromp in trouble?
Reply #2 - 04/21/04 at 09:39:35
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Everything but the critical move dear Richard Smiley
Like Stefanova, I recommend 3.Nd2, ready to transpose into a classical French Steinitz-Rubinstein after 3...d5 4.e4 dxe4 5. Nxe4
I tried it out in the 4N this season and got a nice  position, effortlessly, out of a sort of improved Torre,  against Mr Peter Taylor, although I suspect that, after 3...h6 4.Bh4 c5, 6.c3, instead of 6.e3, may be more precise, keeping the option of playing for e2-e4.
  
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Re: Tromp in trouble?
Reply #1 - 04/21/04 at 08:54:14
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This is my preferred solution with Black.

One idea for White is to play (1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 3.e4 h6 4.Bxf6 Qxf6) 5.Qd2, with the idea of following up with f4, but without allowing the ...Bb4 idea.

One idea I have had then: what if Black plays (5.Qd2) 5...e5!? ?  I have been waiting for a chance to try this out OTB (or even on ICC!) but with no luck, as everyone seems to play either 5.c3, as you suggest, or sometimes 5.e5, which is very popular in internet blitz in my experience.
  

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Tromp in trouble?
04/21/04 at 08:44:50
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1 d4 Nf6 2 Bg5 e6 must rate as one of Black's best lines at the moment. Then 3 e4 c5!? is very interesting, but also problematic for white is 3 e4 h6 4 Bxf6 Qxf5 5 Nc3 Bb4! Naturally 5 c3 is also possible, but then the French positions after 5...d5 appear comfortable for Black? Indeed it's even tricky to find serious improvements on Dishman-Ward which looks good for white at first glance. So what should White do against 2...e6?
  
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