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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #19 - 05/12/04 at 05:40:29
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Thanks very much for this, MNb. I'll take a look as soon as I've finished work.
  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #18 - 05/12/04 at 05:31:50
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Christensen,T (2300) - Olesen,M (2250) [A43]
DANch B (3), 1991
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Lg7 3.Pc3 d6 4.f4 Pd7 5.Pf3 c5 6.d5 Lxc3+ 7.bxc3 Pgf6 8.e5 Pe4 9.De2 Da5 10.Lb2 f5 11.Db5 Dxb5 12.Lxb5 0–0 13.0–0 Pb6 14.a4 Pxd5 15.Lc4 Le6 16.Lxd5 Lxd5 17.Tfd1 Lc4 18.exd6 exd6 19.Pg5 Pxg5 20.fxg5 Tad8 21.Kf2 a5 22.Te1 Tfe8 23.Tad1 Txe1 24.Txe1 Kf7 25.Lc1 Te8 26.Le3 Te4 27.g3 Ke6 28.Td1 Ld5 29.Lf4 Txa4 30.Te1+ Le4 31.Td1 Ld5 32.Te1+ Te4 33.Le3 a4 34.Ke2 a3 35.Kd2 a2 36.Ta1 Lc4 37.Te1 d5 38.Ta1 d4 39.cxd4 cxd4 40.Lg1 Te2+ 41.Kd1 Kd5 42.Kc1 Tg2 0–1

Castellano,J - Larsen,B (2535) [A43]
Mesa Open Mesa, 1992
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Lg7 3.Pc3 d6 4.f4 Pd7 5.Pf3 c5 6.d5 Lxc3+ 7.bxc3 Da5 8.Le2 Pgf6 9.e5 dxe5 10.fxe5 Pxe5 11.Pxe5 Dxc3+ 12.Ld2 Dxe5 13.0–0 Dxd5 14.De1 De6 15.Lc3 0–0 16.Kh1 Ld7 17.Dh4 Dxe2 18.Txf6 Dh5 19.Dxh5 gxh5 20.Th6 f6 21.Te1 e5 22.Tf1 Kg7 23.Txh5 Kg6 24.Th4 Tad8 25.h3 h5 26.Te4 Lc6 27.Te3 h4 28.Kh2 Tf7 29.g3 Tfd7 30.Kg1 Lb5 31.Tfe1 La4 32.Te4 Lxc2 33.Tg4+ Kf7 34.Tf1 Ld3 35.Tf2 hxg3 36.Txg3 Ke6 37.Tgf3 Tg8+ 38.Kh2 f5 39.Te3 e4 40.h4 b5 0–1


Mertanen,J (2165) - Puranen,J (2330) [A43]
Heart of Finland op FIN (2), 1997
1.d4 c5 2.d5 g6 3.e4 d6 4.Pc3 Lg7 5.f4 Lxc3+ 6.bxc3 Pf6 7.Lb5+ Ld7 8.Lxd7+ Pbxd7 9.Df3 Da5 10.Pe2 Da4 11.Pg3 h5 12.h4 Dxc2 13.a4 c4 14.0–0 Dd3 15.Le3 Pg4 16.Ld4 0–0 17.Tab1 b6 18.Tfd1 Dxf3 19.gxf3 Pgf6 20.Tb4 Tfc8 21.Pf1 Pc5 22.Lxf6 exf6 23.Txc4 Kf8 24.Pe3 Ke7 25.Pc2 Pb3 26.Tc6 Pa5 27.Txc8 Txc8 28.Td3 Pb3 29.Kf1 Tc4 30.Pb4 Kd7 31.Pc6 a5 32.e5 Pc5 33.Te3 dxe5 34.fxe5 Txh4 35.exf6 Tf4 36.Pe5+ Kc7 37.Pxf7 Txf6 38.Te7+ Kc8 39.Te8+ Kb7 40.Te7+ Ka6 41.Kg2 Pb7 42.c4 Tf4 43.Pe5 g5 44.Tc7 Tf8 45.Pc6 Ta8 46.Pd4 Pc5 47.Pb5 Pxa4 48.d6 Pc5 49.Te7 1–0

As I am absolutely not an expert on this system, I will leave it to other to investigate and draw conclusions.
  

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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #17 - 05/11/04 at 14:00:25
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Evidentally Kaufman likes this treatment too.  In his recent book his recommendation versus 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6, is 3.c3 Bg7 4.d4 cxd4 5.cxd4 d5 6.e5 and then quoting the game Zvjaginsev-Gdanski, Moscow 2001, 1-0 in 44.
  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #16 - 05/11/04 at 11:09:51
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The following game, from the latest round of the Bundesliga, may be of interest.  Blocking the centre with 5.e5 just looks wrong to me, but then i am not rated 2600 ...

[Event "BL 0304 SV Werder Bremen - SF Katernber"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2004.04.25"]
[Round "15.1"]
[White "Chuchelov, Vladimir"]
[Black "Hracek, Zbynek"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B27"]
[WhiteElo "2603"]
[BlackElo "2578"]
[PlyCount "66"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 c5 3. d4 Bg7 4. c3 d5 5. e5 Bg4 6. Bb5+ Nc6 7. Bxc6+ bxc6 8. Nbd2 cxd4 9. cxd4 e6 10. O-O Ne7 11. h3 Bxf3 12. Nxf3 O-O 13. b3 c5 14. dxc5 Nc6 15. Bf4 Qa5 16. Re1 Qxc5 17. Rc1 Qb4 18. Rxc6 Qxf4 19. a3 a5 20. g3 Qf5 21. Kg2 Rac8 22. Qc1 Rxc6 23. Qxc6 Qd3 24. Re3 Qd1 25. Qc3 Rb8 26. Nd4 Bh6 27. f4 Qb1 28. Re2 Bf8 29. Qxa5 Rc8 30. b4 Qd3 31. Rc2 Rxc2+ 32. Nxc2 Qxc2+ 33. Kf3 d4 0-1
  

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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #15 - 05/06/04 at 04:40:36
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Well, I'm in the process of learning up the Modern at the moment (as I'm sure is obvious!) and finding it fascinating! I won a nice rapid game at the club last night in the line 3 Nf3 d6 4 Nc3 a6 'cos White didn't know how to combat my flexibility.

After 3 f4 d6 4 Nf3 Nf6 5 e5, 5 ...Nd5 6 c4 Nb6 is indeed an Alekhine 4 Pawns Attack, where moreover White has refrained from Nc3 as Nigel Davies recommends. (See my post on this from last year, to which unfortunately no one has responded!) White has other move-six choices though: 5 Bc4, 5 Be2, 5 c3.

There are other transpositional possibilities too which I'd overlooked: for instance, in the 3 c3 d6 4 f4 move-order, after 4 ...Nf6 5 Bd3 0-0 (5 ...e5!?) 6 Nf3 c5, 7 0-0 now would lead to the 3 f4 d6 4 Nf3 Nf6 5 Bd3 0-0 6 0-0 c5 7 c3 (the commonest move here) line -- but again White has other (move-seven) choices.

Glenn's point that after 3 f4 Black can avoid all this with 3 ...c5 is well taken. (After 3 ...d6 he must be happy with 3 c3 d6 4 f4 lines, but in this case he can still, if he wants, avoid the Pirc stuff arising after 3 f4 d6 4 Nf3 by playing 4 ...c5 insted of 4 ...Nf6.) He does, however, have to know what to do (at least better than I did last night in another rapid game!) after 3 ...c5 4 c3: this is meant to be bad because of 4 ...cd 5 cd Qb6! 6 Nf3 Nc6, but the position is very sharp and a single mistake could spell disaster (as when I stupidly put my Knight on a5 after White's d5!)!
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #14 - 05/06/04 at 03:48:03
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Hehe - flattery like that is bound to draw me into the conversation!  I am certainly no expert, but I have played the Pirc on and off for most of my quarter century of chess, so I guess I ought to know a thing or two by now  Undecided

To be honest, though, all these Modern diversions are anathema to me.  If Black is getting himself in a pickle, he has only himself to blame for not playing 1...d6! and 2...Nf6!  Tongue

And if Black is trying to get to a Dragon, well, I think he should just play 1...c5 and learn some antidotes to the anti-Sicilians.  They are not so fearsome surely?

I do not want to stray too much back into that territory, but all I will say is that the line 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.Bxd7+ Qxd7 5.c4 often leads to positions very similar to the Accelerated Dragon anyway, so I don't see why there is a need to deviate with 1...g6 in order to get to the Accelerated Dragon without allowing Bb5+.

2.c3 is of course a rather different kettle of fish but, again, if Black plays the Modern, he must be prepared for White set-ups involving c3 anyway (in fact it doesn't do any harm to have something against them even in a Pirc move-order), so I am not really sure how much he has gained.
  

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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #13 - 05/05/04 at 23:36:45
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After 1.e4 g6 2.d4 3.f4 d6 (3...c5 is still the best try if you want to avoid Modern/Pirc variations) 4.Nf3 (To be honest I don't know how, but I completely overlooked that White could play 4.Nc3 here!) 4...Bg4 looks poor to me because of 5.h3 or maybe 5.Nbd2 and 6.h3.  If instead 4...Nf6 5.Bd3 0-0 6.0-0, I think Black should stick to 6...c5.  The possibility of c3 by White makes other tries look weak to me.  If instead of 5.e5 I think 5...Nbd7 is probably best since after 5...Nd5 6.c4 looks strong and if 5...dxe5 6.fxe5 Nd5 7.c4 (are these last two lines variation of the Alekhine's Defence 4-Paws?).  All of this should be challenged though, I'm certainly no expert (like Alumbrado and others here) on the Pirc/Modern complex.
  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #12 - 05/05/04 at 18:53:14
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MNb,

Re your points:

(A) At my humble level all is possible, so it is as well to know in advance to what systems a given move might transpose.

(B) This is really helpful. I'd be very grateful if you could say in which positions ...Bc3 is looking good (and in which bad/indifferent!).

  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #11 - 05/05/04 at 08:46:31
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Move order is a bit tricky sometimes. After 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.f4 c5 4.d5
A) which White player wants to enter a Four Pawn Attack in the Benoni?
B) If White plays Nc3 to early, quite often Bxc3+ is strong if we look at the results.
  

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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #10 - 05/04/04 at 11:48:34
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It's not clear that 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.f4 d5 4.e5 is an improved Gurgenidze.  Black can go ...c5 in one move but White is better off without having a Knight on c3.
  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #9 - 05/04/04 at 11:32:20
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This is more or less what I play, too, as black but with these modifications :
  1. after 3.Nc3 I play  ... d5 leading to something Bronstein-Scandinavianlike  (after 4.exd5).
  2. after 3. f4  I play ...d5 as well, this time leading to some 'improved Gurgnidze' as you can play c5 (after 4.e5) in one go later on.
  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #8 - 05/04/04 at 10:55:27
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I'm sure that, after 1 e4 g6 2 d4 Bg7 3 f4, 3 ...d6 is just as good as 3 ...c5. Of course, after 4 Nc3 Black must be prepared to enter 3 Nc3 d6 4 f4 lines, but he's probably happy to do so anyway. More importantly, though, after 4 c3 he must be happy with 3 c3 d6 lines -- according to some, 3 ...Nf6!? is more accurate here.

After 4 Nf3 c5 5 d5 Nf6, isn't it inevitable that Black will avoid a 4 Pawns Attack Benoni? 6 Nc3 blocks the c-pawn and leads to a Schmid Benoni (NCO p. 69/n. 35) which is fine for Black, while 6 Bd3 is met by 6 ...c4.

Black has alternatives to 5 ...Nf6, too: 5 ...e6 is possible, intending a Franco-Benoni setup, while Rossetto once tried the weird 5 ...e5 6 fe (perhaps not best?) Be5!?.

I guess (3 f4 d6) 4 c4 isn't critical -- Black can play either the interesting 4 ...Nc6!? or else ...c5 and ...Nf6, but even after 4 ...c5 he can't be forced into a pure Benoni as ...Ne7 plans are still possible.

Three questions for Glenn or for anyone:

(1) Is 3 f4 d6 4 Nf3 Bg4 a reliable defence, or (as I suspect) dubious? White has a wide choice: 5 Be2, 5 Bc4, 5 Be3, 5 c3 ...

(2) 4 ...Nf6 here seems just as viable as 4 ...c5, since after 5 Bd3 (or 5 Nc3 with an Austrian Attack) c5, 6 d5 allows ...c4. There's also 5 Bd3 0-0 6 0-0 (6 c3 c5 7 dc Nbd7!? 8 cd ed) c5, reaching a 3 Bd3 Pirc, but what about other sixth moves for Black here? -- is 6 ...e5 as good as 6 ...c5, and what of 6 ...Bg4 or 6 ...Nc6?

(3) How should Black meet 5 e5 (instead of 5 Bd3) here? Presumably this isn't critical since 5 ...Nfd7 6 Nc3 c5 is a decent Pirc, but White does have other sixth moves. Also, what of 5 ...Nd5 or 5 ...de?
  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #7 - 05/03/04 at 20:58:18
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Nunn and Mcnab's "The Ultimate Pirc" gives 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.f4 d6 4.Nf3 (not mentioned is 4.c4, but 4...Nc6 looks good) 4...c5.  The book doesn't mentioned the possibility of 5.d5 but after 5...Nf6 Black can avoid the 4-pawns attack if he wishes to do so.  They mention 5.c3 and 5.dxc5, analysing variations that are at worst unclear for Black.
  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #6 - 05/03/04 at 19:11:09
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After 3 ...c5 here I guess the main possibility is 4 d5 d6 5 Nf3 e6 6 c4 ed 7 cd Nf6 8 Nc3 0-0 9 Be2 Re8 or ...Bg4 with a Four Pawns' Attack Benoni. But also on moves 6 or 7 Black can maybe play ...Ne7 (or ...a6 first?) with a Franco-Benoni setup.

This is an interesting option that I think is often forgotten in discussions of these ...g6/...c5 lines. It's possible after 3 c4 c5 too (and also, though it may not be germane to this Forum, after 3 c4 d6 4 Nc3 c5 5 d5 e6, which would be my own defence to the Averbakh system), e.g. 4 d5 d6 5 Nc3 e6 6 Nf3 Ne7, or 6 Bd3 ed 7 cd Ne7 as played by Efimov.

  
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Re: The Anti-Anti-sicilian: 1...g6!
Reply #5 - 05/03/04 at 05:48:38
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What about 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.f4!?
Also c5!? I guess?
  

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